POE is not a FREE TO PLAY

Path of exile before endgame (Free to play - level 1 to around 70 ish)
Path of exile after 10 endgame maps (GRAB UR WALLET AND GIVE US SOME MONEY OR TOO BAD FOR YOU)


sure nothing holding you back from reaching level 100 or killing uber elder shaper but unless ur a support, i dont see any space back after your first 10-20 maps.

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Coolmer wrote:

I was saying that from beginning, it is not FREE TO PLAY and imo is PAY TO WIN with less respect from developers and less sense to do something viable, like TRADE (Worst ever experience), CHAT (Jesus if you can call that chat system in 2018 still), ETC (ZILLION OTHER STUFF).
Most overpriced ONLINE SINGLE PLAYER BETA GAME what I played.

ATM Spending money rather on ESO PLUS subscription, more satisfaction, more enjoyment and yes I did spent money here also (but not on forum titles) only on P2W STUFF like TABS (stash space) and few micro-transaction effects.
Also in ESO for example you can buy BANK/INV space with GOLD(In game) or CROWNS(real money) like IN MANY OTHER ONLINE GAMES so making INV space what is important for player experience $real money$ only is imo one big aspect what leads to PAY TO WIN.

• How much do we need to pay for the full game client access?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Ascendancy" expansion which gives Ascendancy classes to every character?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Fall of Oriath" expansion which gives us Acts 5-10?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Atlas of Worlds" and "War for the Atlas" expansions to change the mapping system from "random map running through Map Device in Act 3" to "atlas-like"?
• How much do we need to pay for every new challenge league?

etc etc

You should at least try to be creative with your arguments...

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HarukaTeno wrote:

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Coolmer wrote:

I was saying that from beginning, it is not FREE TO PLAY and imo is PAY TO WIN with less respect from developers and less sense to do something viable, like TRADE (Worst ever experience), CHAT (Jesus if you can call that chat system in 2018 still), ETC (ZILLION OTHER STUFF).
Most overpriced ONLINE SINGLE PLAYER BETA GAME what I played.

ATM Spending money rather on ESO PLUS subscription, more satisfaction, more enjoyment and yes I did spent money here also (but not on forum titles) only on P2W STUFF like TABS (stash space) and few micro-transaction effects.
Also in ESO for example you can buy BANK/INV space with GOLD(In game) or CROWNS(real money) like IN MANY OTHER ONLINE GAMES so making INV space what is important for player experience $real money$ only is imo one big aspect what leads to PAY TO WIN.

• How much do we need to pay for the full game client access?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Ascendancy" expansion which gives Ascendancy classes to every character?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Fall of Oriath" expansion which gives us Acts 5-10?
• How much do we need to pay for the "Atlas of Worlds" and "War for the Atlas" expansions to change the mapping system from "random map running through Map Device in Act 3" to "atlas-like"?
• How much do we need to pay for every new challenge league?

etc etc

You should at least try to be creative with your arguments...

WOW, Always some GGG Advocate, if game is FREE 2 PLAY how much you think playing cost?

So even you are GGG advocate, but bad one, because you just admitted they made PAY TO PLAY model from F2P.

For your answer polished A production WILDSTAR for example, they said we are FREE TO PLAY / NON-PAY TO WIN and they are RLLY THAT IMHO everything obtainable with playing game, BiS end game items only as bound drop from instances. So there is my answer.

What is about selling only cosmetics and be true F2P / NON-PAY TO WIN as they promote in startup? To Hard?

Overall they sell their overpriced work every league (not only every expansion as you want to say) with NEW SUPPORT PACKS... and if you ask me 90% of time is wasted on new micro-transaction not real content, because everything looks like some Deja Vu (copied) and also need to mention they sold it once more time to Chinese so I think they are paid well.

Also then comes P2W elements like new TABs here and there, currency tab is funny I dont know was I ever saw that someone sells currency tab in game, even ArcheAge didn't go there as true hardcore P2W. IMO Currency TAB is core and need to be available to everyone without spending a dime.

Did you saw any patch what didnt come without "new micro transactions"? I wasn't while was still playing. They sell even fixes :)
It is shame i believed once in project but no more.

BTW ESO is full of Delves and "Cradle of shadow" is dungeon similar to this mechanics ...shadow and light and monsters from dark LoL... Genius Idea

Enough? Or you expect from me to wrote 20 pages? I doubt even 20 pages will be enough.

PoE is free to play. You can play for free to see if you like the game. If you like the game then you buy 6 tabs. The 6 stash tabs on sale are something like $12 USA dollars. That is very cheap for buying a game that you are sure that you like. If you can't afford $12 USA dollars then you can still play for free, it just won't be as convenient.

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Coolmer wrote:

WOW, Always some GGG Advocate, if game is FREE 2 PLAY how much you think playing cost?

0 $
Same as a lot of people "have paid".
ZERO.

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Coolmer wrote:

So even you are GGG advocate, but bad one, because you just admitted they made PAY TO PLAY model from F2P.

Where did i admit that GGG made "Pay 2 Play" model from F2P? o___O
Post a direct quote

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Coolmer wrote:

For your answer polished A production WILDSTAR for example, they said we are FREE TO PLAY / NON-PAY TO WIN and they are RLLY THAT IMHO everything obtainable with playing game, BiS end game items only as bound drop from instances. So there is my answer.

Which in-game item \ unique \ currency exactly can you buy from GGG's store?

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Coolmer wrote:

Overall they sell their overpriced work every league (not only every expansion as you want to say) with NEW SUPPORT PACKS... and if you ask me 90% of time is wasted on new micro-transaction not real content, because everything looks like some Deja Vu (copied) and also need to mention they sold it once more time to Chinese so I think they are paid well.

Are you aware that supporter packs ARE NOT required to be bought to play the expansion(s)?..
You could've just NOT buy those (like many people do).

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Coolmer wrote:

Also then comes P2W elements like new TABs here and there, currency tab is funny I dont know was I ever saw that someone sells currency tab in game, even ArcheAge didn't go there as true hardcore P2W. IMO Currency TAB is core and need to be available to everyone without spending a dime.

What lies inside those tabs at the moment of purchase? Thousands of Exalts?
I've bought 6 stash tabs - what exactly did i win?
Where is my 6L Legacy Shavronne's, where is my T0 mirrored equip for crit. archer?
Seriously, dude, your "arguments" are pathetic.

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Coolmer wrote:

Did you saw any patch what didnt come without "new micro transactions"? I wasn't while was still playing.

Again.
Are you aware that you can play without buying ANY (or some particular) MTX from the shop?

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Coolmer wrote:

They sell even fixes :)

NAME 1 BUGFIX WHICH PLAYERS WERE FORCED TO BUY WITH ACTUAL $ o_O

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Coolmer wrote:

It is shame i believed once in project but no more.

Then leave?

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Coolmer wrote:

BTW ESO is full of Delves and "Cradle of shadow" is dungeon similar to this mechanics ...shadow and light and monsters from dark LoL... Genius Idea

Good for you. Why won't you go and play it?

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Coolmer wrote:

Enough? Or you expect from me to wrote 20 pages? I doubt even 20 pages will be enough.

Sure. You've ridiculed yourself enough.

Dont waste Your time. Those ppl dont understand what free to play is and pay to play is and other things. They just dont. They just want FREE STUFFF because THEY WANT TO.

Just let it go.

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Coolmer wrote:

For your answer polished A production WILDSTAR for example, they said we are FREE TO PLAY / NON-PAY TO WIN and they are RLLY THAT IMHO everything obtainable with playing game, BiS end game items only as bound drop from instances. So there is my answer.

Okay let's see. Free players in Wildstar get:
- Three sell slots on the auction house and commodities exchange
- No gameplay boosts

Subscribed (yes that costs money) players in Wildstar get:
- Thirty sell slots on the auction house and commodities exchange (10x the free amount)
- 25% increased XP
- 25% increased income
- Various crafting bonuses

And you call this game more fair to F2P players than PoE? Where does GGG sell XP boosts? What about currency drop boosts? Can I buy a boost that gives me better crafting outcomes?

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databeaver wrote:

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Coolmer wrote:

For your answer polished A production WILDSTAR for example, they said we are FREE TO PLAY / NON-PAY TO WIN and they are RLLY THAT IMHO everything obtainable with playing game, BiS end game items only as bound drop from instances. So there is my answer.

Okay let's see. Free players in Wildstar get:
- Three sell slots on the auction house and commodities exchange
- No gameplay boosts

Subscribed (yes that costs money) players in Wildstar get:
- Thirty sell slots on the auction house and commodities exchange (10x the free amount)
- 25% increased XP
- 25% increased income
- Various crafting bonuses

And you call this game more fair to F2P players than PoE? Where does GGG sell XP boosts? What about currency drop boosts? Can I buy a boost that gives me better crafting outcomes?

Did you even play Wildstar? I played it as F2P and enjoyed few years before, commodities slots you can buy easy by doing quests, because all shop items can be bought with proto star currency also, that currency drops only by playing game. BTW you dont even need auction house in that game because in game currency is almost irrelevant, all items what you wear are BOUND ON PICKUP and is collected from various instances.
About XP I don't even had a feel you need it lol... you don't lose XP and quests/dungeons gives you a lot. GGG sells rlly decent P2W stuffs in China and Russia so... dont be amazed if that also come in NA/EU soon, there is new boss. But that is another story.
More important are that GGG sells from shop only for real money and in true F2P everything need to be obtainable also by playing game (like stash space what is core of any grinding game).

So in WILDSTAR ALL ITEMS ARE AVAILABLE WITHOUT PAYING A DIME EVEN COSMETICS WHAT YOU EVEN DONT NEED BECAUSE IN GAME STUFF LOOKS AMAZING AND WIT FREE 80 SLOTS FROM HOLO ROBE U CAN TOOK ANY LOOK YOU LIKE FROM ANY ITEM YOU FIND IN GAME. Even that have that BIG BAD A product game.

IMO Wildstar have one of the best if not best F2P model what I saw. But from PoE I learned one thing, better to pay real game then invest in some wanna be F2P RIP your WALLET project never polished never done and that trade experience is what makes me leave, LOL.

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HarukaTeno wrote:

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Coolmer wrote:

Also then comes P2W elements like new TABs here and there, currency tab is funny I dont know was I ever saw that someone sells currency tab in game, even ArcheAge didn't go there as true hardcore P2W. IMO Currency TAB is core and need to be available to everyone without spending a dime.

What lies inside those tabs at the moment of purchase? Thousands of Exalts?
I've bought 6 stash tabs - what exactly did i win?
Where is my 6L Legacy Shavronne's, where is my T0 mirrored equip for crit. archer?
Seriously, dude, your "arguments" are pathetic.

Rlly, why you needed to buy with real money premium tabs in true F2P game like this?
You can't collect currency without them for your 6L Shav, "T0" mirrored items?
If that 4 TABs are viable why we all bought dam TABs in free to play with grinding forever aspect?
I dont even know these days can you put all types of currency, div cards, essences dont need to talk about items, ROFL, in those tabs even one stack each will be to much.
Do I need to say you need for 6L with master craft 1500 fus and that is how much?
Only pathetic person here are you. I at last don't lie my self, I bought and said it is not true F2P and you buying and still trying convince other in some non sense...
Why don't you stay true F2P and show us that we are wrong? Show us that you every league made your 6L shav, your "T0" mirroring gear with F2P model with that LoL 4 TABS only.

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HarukaTeno wrote:

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Coolmer wrote:

It is shame i believed once in project but no more.

Then leave?

Sad days when still ppl like you (pathetic one) without any true arguments shit on others and ask them to leave.

BTW I left three months before or so... for good (was here every league from beginning).
Was only checking forum is there any news about TRADE system... TRADE in this game is for me no more ever again, Ty and good luck. I even played SSF HC but drop... lol I can't call this game have drop at all for SSF enjoyment. Crafting? What is that? Slot machine system.

What to say about game where is BiS items obtainable with TRADE, and TRADE is hidden behind paywall (for proper trade you need tabs and you wanted Premium ones) and after all require 90% of your play time (with time consuming PM and only direct trade in 2018). I payed this tabs but sry I am not rdy to give so much my play time to trade, if there is auction house I will buy slots no problem, like I bought everything I wanted.

Do you see playing me this game? No anymore.

Ty and good luck everyone. ESO is waiting me (atm Champion 399 level), enjoying true multiplayer game with millions of others.
Stay safe.

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de99ial wrote:

Dont waste Your time. Those ppl dont understand what free to play is and pay to play is and other things. They just dont. They just want FREE STUFFF because THEY WANT TO.

Just let it go.

LoL I didn't ask anything. I bought everything I wanted (premium tabs, currency tabs, div card tabs,... what they throw if I needed I bought.), and I left because I wasn't satisfied with product.

But you can't feed me with F2P when it is truly not.