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Great, news, guys! We got a new PoB with updated skills!
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Posted byXKent#2259on Jun 9, 2019, 5:18:17 AM
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livejamie wrote:
OK I did a bunch of Guardians on Standard tonight. I tried out every Claw skill.
I used this POB that is optimized for Blade Flurry: https://pastebin.com/e3iM85D0
Cyclone was okay, I didn't find the radius too small, I felt pretty slow and think It could be optimized further.
Lightning Strike got me the most excited, seems like it might be the winner if the tree and links were optimized for it, Single Target was okay, clear felt amazing.
Wild Strike/Frost Blades felt good on both fronts.
Spectral Throw felt like it had the strongest single target but clear was shitty.
I don't like Blade Flurry, Charged Dash or any of the other Strike Skills.
Links I used:
1) Spectral Throw > GMP/Slower Proj > EDWA > DOFL > Ele Focus > Point Blank
2) Cyclone > Conc/AOE > EDWA > DOFL > Ele Focus > Infused Chanelling
3) Frost Blades > Ruthless(?)/Ancestral Call > EDWA > DOFL > Ele Focus > Point Blank
4) Lightning Strike > Ruthless(?)/Ancestral Call > Multistrike > EDWA > DOFL > Ele Focus
5) Wild Strike > Ruthless(?)/Ancestral Call > Multistrike > EDWA > DOFL > Ele Focus
I think next steps would be to have a tree planned out for the projectile skills (Spectral Throw, Frost Blades), the Strike Skills (Lightning Strike, Wild Strike) and Cyclone and compare them from there.
These are the 5 to go with though.
Try Vaal Reave. I tried LS, and I also really liked it for clear. Vaal Reave with the new slow decay of stacks clears even faster though due to not needing pierce to hit every mob on the screen. Still plenty of dps for guardians.
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Posted bymintu#3911on Jun 9, 2019, 8:35:44 AM
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You still need to swap out BF for single target though, right?
livejamie
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Jun 9, 2019, 9:14:08 AM
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livejamie wrote:
You still need to swap out BF for single target though, right?
Reave has been reasonable dps for doing guardians. Not like it used to be with MS, where I ran everything but Delve with an IIQ gem.
Note that POB is bugged right now and not accounting for the dps boost from Multistrike. With Multistrike, I am at 1.9mil Reave dps vs 2.8mil BF dps. Not that big a difference anymore with the Reave buff and BF nerf.
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Posted bymintu#3911on Jun 9, 2019, 9:49:51 AM
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Some more updates to my tree and gear, thanks to Blood and Sand being a 15% more AOE damage multiplier.
1. Sovereignty instead of Spiritual Aid to have the mana to run Blood and Sand. Lose 13% dps and 1% regen, gain 15% more dps.
2. Ele weakness on hit Shaper's Touch instead of the +1 gems one. Sovereignty gives us a lot of extra reserve mana. Ele weakness on hit saves a gem slot and is more reliable than CWDT.
3. Lightning golem is 2.9% more dps.
https://pastebin.com/YEEUiHrZ
This is clearing guardians quite well with Reave. I've not done Uber Elder with it yet, as I am being extra safe and trying to hit 100 on this char.
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Posted bymintu#3911on Jun 9, 2019, 12:01:26 PM
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mintu wrote:
Some more updates to my tree and gear, thanks to Blood and Sand being a 15% more AOE damage multiplier.
1. Sovereignty instead of Spiritual Aid to have the mana to run Blood and Sand. Lose 13% dps and 1% regen, gain 15% more dps.
2. Ele weakness on hit Shaper's Touch instead of the +1 gems one. Sovereignty gives us a lot of extra reserve mana. Ele weakness on hit saves a gem slot and is more reliable than CWDT.
3. Lightning golem is 2.9% more dps.
https://pastebin.com/YEEUiHrZ
This is clearing guardians quite well with Reave. I've not done Uber Elder with it yet, as I am being extra safe and trying to hit 100 on this char.
are you using Pulverize in your links?
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Posted by1nfest#2925on Jun 9, 2019, 12:19:01 PM
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1nfest wrote:
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mintu wrote:
Some more updates to my tree and gear, thanks to Blood and Sand being a 15% more AOE damage multiplier.
1. Sovereignty instead of Spiritual Aid to have the mana to run Blood and Sand. Lose 13% dps and 1% regen, gain 15% more dps.
2. Ele weakness on hit Shaper's Touch instead of the +1 gems one. Sovereignty gives us a lot of extra reserve mana. Ele weakness on hit saves a gem slot and is more reliable than CWDT.
3. Lightning golem is 2.9% more dps.
https://pastebin.com/YEEUiHrZ
This is clearing guardians quite well with Reave. I've not done Uber Elder with it yet, as I am being extra safe and trying to hit 100 on this char.
are you using Pulverize in your links?
I am not - I didn't like how the attack speed slowdown felt when clearing, and the overall multiplier wasn't that high: 1.46 * 0.85 = 1.24, or only 24% more.
With Reave already hitting the whole screen, I think Fortify is a better support than Pulverize. If I was running BF, I might go Pulverize.
My links: Vaal Reave - Fortify - Multistrike - Elemental Damage with Attacks - Damage on Full Life - Elemental Focus
Fortify is not bad, it's a 35% more multiplier and frees up a gem slot for a golem that's worth another 3%.
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Posted bymintu#3911on Jun 9, 2019, 12:24:40 PM
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mintu wrote:
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livejamie wrote:
You still need to swap out BF for single target though, right?
Reave has been reasonable dps for doing guardians. Not like it used to be with MS, where I ran everything but Delve with an IIQ gem.
Note that POB is bugged right now and not accounting for the dps boost from Multistrike. With Multistrike, I am at 1.9mil Reave dps vs 2.8mil BF dps. Not that big a difference anymore with the Reave buff and BF nerf.
I don't like it as much compared to the other skills I mentioned, but if it works for you that's awesome. :)
Did you try the 5 I mentioned?
Can you take a video of a juicy guardian map run?
livejamie
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Posted bylivejamie#0512on Jun 9, 2019, 5:46:33 PM
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livejamie wrote:
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mintu wrote:
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livejamie wrote:
You still need to swap out BF for single target though, right?
Reave has been reasonable dps for doing guardians. Not like it used to be with MS, where I ran everything but Delve with an IIQ gem.
Note that POB is bugged right now and not accounting for the dps boost from Multistrike. With Multistrike, I am at 1.9mil Reave dps vs 2.8mil BF dps. Not that big a difference anymore with the Reave buff and BF nerf.
I don't like it as much compared to the other skills I mentioned, but if it works for you that's awesome. :)
Did you try the 5 I mentioned?
Can you take a video of a juicy guardian map run?
Apologies, too lazy for a video.
The way I have it built now, I need the skill to be melee and AOE for optimal dps - this only leaves Reave and BF as claw options. (Blood and Sand, Amplify). Spectral throw would need projectile nodes.
Lightning strike clear is almost as fast as Reave. It has really nice mechanics, just seems to take a bit longer to clear.
My favorite part about reave is the consistent dps across the massive AOE - at 54 units of AOE, you are pretty much ranged and have a lot of positioning options on boss fights. With the change in the stacks falling off more gradually, 2 couple of charges of Vaal Reave mean doing most of a boss fight from half a screen away.
By comparison, LS does about 1/2 to 1/3 the dps at range as it does at melee.
Last edited by mintu#3911 on Jun 9, 2019, 7:45:41 PM
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Posted bymintu#3911on Jun 9, 2019, 6:26:21 PM
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Shame none of these options even come close to MS
What about Close combat support does that boost our boss dmg with any of these skills if we are all up in the grill and tanking like a boss
Last edited by Fhenoix#4086 on Jun 9, 2019, 8:10:36 PM
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Posted byFhenoix#4086on Jun 9, 2019, 8:07:38 PM
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