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Why are you using Bone Offering ?
Isn t Spirit Offering superior as it gives u a shit tone of Es.
Is maybe a 6 Link setup with cyclone and cast on channeling preferable to triggering with the wand. we could also cast our Zombies this way and maybe add more offering with leash of Oblation.

What do u guys think ?

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dragothica wrote:

It seems like I'm going to run this build in 3.9 League too. However one quick question and I wonder if anyone can answer it yet as League hasn't started yet:

What kind of price range I'd have to pay for a "budget" Trigger Wand with +1 minion levels if I buy it some time next week when starting maps, for example?

Is the item going to be a lot more expensive than previously now that both Trigger modifier and +1 minion levels are required?

i.e. 10 chaos, 20 chaos or more?

There is no way it will be that cheap. It should be harder to get +1 now, if i understand changelog right, and it wasnt exactly easy before. I'd expect few exalts minimum price for a very shitty one (like one with lots of useless affixes/prefixes you need annul first).

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Eddy_Kamakura wrote:

Why are you using Bone Offering ?
Isn t Spirit Offering superior as it gives u a shit tone of Es.
Is maybe a 6 Link setup with cyclone and cast on channeling preferable to triggering with the wand. we could also cast our Zombies this way and maybe add more offering with leash of Oblation.

What do u guys think ?

You usually play this build with "Devouring Diadem" and through that every point of ES will protect mana, instead of life, and will be spend for skill usage instead of mana. Additionally you take "Mind over Matter", therefor you only need a specific ratio of mana to life to use this keystone effectivly. Every point mana (or energy shield too with Eldritch Battery) over a certain point will be wasted. And that is the case if u use spirit offering.

Therefor you either play with bone offering and mistress of sacrifice (you profit from offerings too), often coupled with other methods to increase your block rate OR without mistress of sacrfrice and flesh offering instead of bone offering. You can of course play with mistress and flesh offering together. But it is, at least in my opinion, wasted potential.

IF u dont play with Eldritch Battery (either Keystone or Devouring Diadem) you could go the "spirit offering - desecrate - cyclone - cast while channeling" route we all know from the zombie build. u either use a 4link (with W/S) or 6l in chest with 2h weapon. you just have to realize that it will be a purly defensive setup. spirit offering does nothing for the dmg of your spectres. i havnt done or even tried it. i might have missed something.



I have one question, not really related to this build: could someone tell me if the new orbs, gems, etc. (and if which) are connected to the new league and which are added to both, standard and new league? iam torn an maybe would like to stay in standard and am curious what would i gain and what would i miss with 3.9?

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kayella wrote:

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foster21 wrote:

This guide is awful cant even spell caverN of anger right in the full walk through on act 1.How hard is it to put an N at the end of cavern?!? Come on, pay attention!.....in all seriousness though the guide is pretty amazing, I plan on using it in 3.9 Thanks for the hard work.

I'm surprised there's only one spelling mistake. Thanks for pointing it out.

pshhhh who cares guide is awesomesauce. I have to imagine this will still be a pretty solid build for 3.9 even after the convoking wand nerf. Even as a league starter to get to some endgame. What are your thoughts on the nerf?

[edit] sorry, double post

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BloodyHawl wrote:

I have one question, not really related to this build: could someone tell me if the new orbs, gems, etc. (and if which) are connected to the new league and which are added to both, standard and new league? iam torn an maybe would like to stay in standard and am curious what would i gain and what would i miss with 3.9?

I think conquerors (and new orb) is the overall patch. It will apply to standard as well.

Temp league is metamorph with the new boss building mechanic.

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Eddy_Kamakura wrote:

Why are you using Bone Offering ?
Isn t Spirit Offering superior as it gives u a shit tone of Es.
Is maybe a 6 Link setup with cyclone and cast on channeling preferable to triggering with the wand. we could also cast our Zombies this way and maybe add more offering with leash of Oblation.

What do u guys think ?

Cyclone CwC Spirit works with Baron Zombies because the zombies leech 2% of their damage as life. So you get both life and ES sustain. It won't work for a spectre build because there is no easy life sustain.

Also, Bone Offering and Rumi's can give 75%/52% block, so you can do things like this:



And ideally, you get 5% life recovery when you block on the shield.

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aror wrote:

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kayella wrote:

You can replace Immortal Call. You might also want to replace CWDT with Increased Duration.

If you press the protective ability hands, abandoning CWDT, what do you think will be more effective at the maximum levels of gems - IC or Molten Shell? Playing in League Legion, I used MS on Juggernaut thus and MS proved themselves better than IC.

For self-cast, I would use Vall Molten Shield and maybe a Granite flask of iron skin.

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dragothica wrote:

It seems like I'm going to run this build in 3.9 League too. However one quick question and I wonder if anyone can answer it yet as League hasn't started yet:

What kind of price range I'd have to pay for a "budget" Trigger Wand with +1 minion levels if I buy it some time next week when starting maps, for example?

Is the item going to be a lot more expensive than previously now that both Trigger modifier and +1 minion levels are required?

i.e. 10 chaos, 20 chaos or more?

It could be very expensive. It's hard to say right now. I think the demand for +1 wands will be lower in 3.9.

The new exalt orb thing seems to craft +1 to amulets, so that could be an option too.

Ty for that clarification @kayella.
How do we leech or regen on this build then ?
I am not sure how this would translate into deep delving?
Love the Build guide and really want to league start this build.