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Alright so I got the fire eaters, but they die super quick and I feel like I do 0 damage right now in act 4 with them. Anything I need to fix improve? Or maybe level a different way?

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Kyreth666 wrote:

Well I did my first deathless lvl 83 Catharina minutes ago, almost lazy, without Aul's, with flasks from standard build. My Necro's life was threatened like only once. Magnificent build, never felt so tanky and powerful at the same time.

Kay, how did you found out about Slave Drivers? How do you theorycraft your builds? This all correlations between life/mana/ES, MoM, EB's, block vs dodge seem so overwhelming even for old aRPG player like me

Long story short, someone asked a question about mana reservation on reddit. In the same post, they mentioned Slave Drivers as a good replacement for Fire-Eaters. It got buried and ignored, but I picked up on it. I then customised this build to work with them (fire projectiles -> lightning pbaoe).

The theorycrafting comes from my many hours of playing with spectres and other player's suggestions & ideas. Luckily, the build guide has attracted a lot of experienced players who have added their own ideas to the thread.

Also, other players have asked 'what about x?', which I then investigate. For example, EB/MoM (Diadem) is actually a new thing for me; I only started using it a few weeks ago.

Overall, I think the complicated interactions is what makes necros interesting to theorycraft.

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TommyTQ wrote:

Idk how but Armala was done solo, in first try, I remove all supp gems stay in left lower corner almost near entrance, dodge purple beams/grid and "catch" webs debuff then just cast brand on her.

Sad Aul's Haste now only for 45ex /
I can recommend "cheap" variant with Grace (6ex+) and stay with wand+shield, now have 57% evade, with VGrace cap dodge 75/75.

OK, thanks for the tip. I'll keep trying with Armala. My other thought was to get a friend to help who can kite the fox away from me so it doesn't burn the webs.

I like the idea with Grace/VGrace!

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Laere wrote:

Alright so I got the fire eaters, but they die super quick and I feel like I do 0 damage right now in act 4 with them. Anything I need to fix improve? Or maybe level a different way?

Did you resummon them in Act 4? Spectres keep the level of the zone they were raised in, so they'll be level 6. I sometimes forget to do this.

Another thing to try is linking with Minion Life Support.

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kayella wrote:

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I like the idea with Grace/VGrace!

What you think this debuff on jewel (Consecrated Ground you create while affected by Zealotry causes enemies to take 10% increased Damage) work for our Spectres?
On bosses (t16, Guardians (84lvl), Shaper, Elder-84, etc) I often see Cons.Ground so decide try this jewel but seems POB dont count this fro dmg idk )


May be it will usefull for someone, image stats

Depth only 281, kill Kurgal and Ahua

btw look what gloves dropped )



add unlock +1 curse craft on chest so if someone need it for FREE pm ingame ) have +1 charge too, but still no Trigger Sock.Spell //

Always appreciate for your nice and kind reply.


just some more questions,


What do you think of CI build? I think pledge build has a pretty good potential.


I'm using a rare body armour for animate guardian, cuz I lost the expensive version guardian a couple of times.

I got an elder base rare armour for 3c, 2% hp regen, 9% hp regen on kill(not sure this is working), 15 fire&lightning res(I think we don't need more than 15 cuz aura radius is larger than the screen), 100hp.

I think this is a good option for cheap version, of course ambu's charge is cheaper but its sharing is not working.

Or I could get a really good rare armour and craft item drops on death.

How do you think about armour?


and what do you think about victario's flight? 10% movement looks quite legit.


Thanks heaps!

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kayella wrote:

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Laere wrote:

Alright so I got the fire eaters, but they die super quick and I feel like I do 0 damage right now in act 4 with them. Anything I need to fix improve? Or maybe level a different way?

Did you resummon them in Act 4? Spectres keep the level of the zone they were raised in, so they'll be level 6. I sometimes forget to do this.

Another thing to try is linking with Minion Life Support.

I didn't know you had to resummon them, is this explained in the guide I might've missed it.

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Laere wrote:

I didn't know you had to resummon them, is this explained in the guide I might've missed it.

In the Summoning Guide section it mentions to go to control blocks and get a Slave Driver. Then it suggests the spectre will be at level 41. Afterwards it suggests you visit a level 83 zone (Mines floor 240+) and remove them spectre gem and then put it back in and desecrate to get 4 Slave Drivers.

This applies to any spectre as they always stay at the level of the map until re-summoned.

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CelciusX wrote:

guys i need crafting advices.
for helm should i just go multi craft then craft hp some resist etc. or spend some currenty to fossil craft to get +3 minions and more hp?

for armor any safe way to get rid of lightning res?. idk if item stays as rare after prefixes cant change >> scource.

allright boys success story here!



here is the story behind it for future generations if you wanna read :)

i bought base item (1p and 1s) for 7ex. and its very safe to craft if you are not a greedy person. craft quality >> 6 socket >> 6 link >> remove quality >> multimod (2ex) >> craft hp >> spend some divines for max hp >> craft +1 curse (3ex) >> craft 3rd suffix of your choice. and be done with your bis chest for 12.5 ex + orb of fusings (your luck)

but i was a bit greedy.

craft prefixes cant change (2ex) >> orb of scouring (item become magic with 1 prefix. i ll tell this part a bit more) >> buy beast for magic imprint craft (230c = around 1.5 ex i think) >> create imprint >> regal orb (i get useless prefix. stun and block recovery.) >> a very safe not yolo annul and there goes that useless stun and block recovery. happy screams >> craft quality >> 6 sockets >> 6 links (850ish fusings here i was very unlucky and lets just say 2.5ex for fusings) >> remove quality >> multimod (2ex) >> craft hp >> spend some divines for max hp >> craft +1 curse (3ex) >> craft 2 resist suffixes. and this cost me around 18.5ex in total. 19ex if u wanna add small crafting costs, tips, annul etc. i didnt use imprint coz i got lucky with annul. if i didnt i was gonna buy more beasts. my greed cost me extra 3.5 ex for extra 16 lightning resist. and it would cost me more if i didnt get lucky with annul.

and last week i've spent 4 ex for a 2prefix 3suffix base which gone to trash. coz annul hit spectre mod. not a suffix.

here are some results if you search for +1 spectre - 6 linked rare chests. and here i honest say just dont go greedy or buy the damn thing. :)




so what happens if you craft prefixes cant change to a 1prefix 1suffix (my base) item then scource it ?
i've asked same question in /global 820 and a dude told me item gonna stay as rare but im gonna lose lightning resist and suffixes cant change craft. and he was very sure of his answer.
kayella: "I'm almost certain it will become magical (blue)" but he was "almost" certain.
found some reddit answers. if base item had 2 or 3 prefixes a dude says: item gonna stay as rare. another dude says item gonna be magic and you gonna lose one or two of those prefixes. coz you know magic item can only have 1 prefix and 1 suffix.

and according to another reddit reply crafting prefixes cant change to my base then using annuls also was on table. that means no need to buy beast for imprint craft. but if your annul hits prefixes cant change you have craft it again until you get rid of useless suffixes.

in my case as i told you item become magic with 1 prefix. and i think im gonna make a ticket and ask to ggg to get some answers. this crafting system is confusing to me!

a little recommendation here. before you go for quality craft >> 6 link. i suggest you to get hillock %28 armor craft (syndicate craft) then craft extra quality. this way u'll get more quality which means more chance for 6 link.



and shoutout to the dude who offered me 3 (three) extalted orbs to my rare chest who had only +1 spectre mod on it. that was very generous of you dude!.
tyvm. gl hf bros.

edit: i forget to ask what is our 2nd curse for slave drivers? ele weakness or some thing else ? and can someone tell me gem setup for lightning rva? i've tryed them with spell echo - minion dmg - lightning pen. - greater proj - chain. they were very good at monolith farming but sucked at boss dmg.

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CelciusX wrote:

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for helm should i just go multi craft then craft hp some resist etc. or spend some currenty to fossil craft to get +3 minions and more hp?
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Ohh dat global tips :D
I bought my chest alrdy rare with one pref +1 spectre ) 10ex
I use Elem Weak as second curse
Made my current Helmet just with chaos spam ~320c

My tips abt AG
In overall I lost 3 setup AG now ) with Gr.Pelt, Rare boots, Crafted Helm, Kingmaker, Southbound.
Last one was lost in HoGM where I jump to help my friend and just forget desummon AG.
AG will not die if have 35k+ hp and regen /Captain Obvious :D
For cheap variant we use Dying Breath, Southbound, Victario boots, Helm with -res nearby enemy, and Ambus Charge (<this not for End charge but for 2% of Life Regen).
If we have +2 Minion Helm and lvl3 Empower - we use on AG: Gr. Pelt (5% regen! 200+ life); Kingmaker (1st its Culling Strike for ally! then Fortify); Southbound (16% life); Helmet: I prefer Lion Pelt coz its looks gorgeous :D and add Evasion, with Metallic Fossil -Lightning res; Boots: I buy any evasion with 2% regen enchant then Pristine fossil and craft 18-20% Movement speed + Cannot be Chilled < I think this is key coz now on Elder-84 my AG not even close to die and run with full hp all the time.
Now only Exiles from HoGM can kill him and I think Phoenix with some hard mods.