I decided to have a go at drawing Vinia/Piety finally freed. Piety is a character I love... And hate, I love her story with a passion, but my god in Act one I just wanna chuck her out a window.
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If you hate yourself, feel free to zoom in. In all seriousness--I have mixed feelings on this. It was a challenge, as I'm hilariously rusty with digital painting and I was ambitious in posing. I was tempted to quit a couple times, but I'm stopping here mainly out of fear of heading into territory of overworking it. I'll happily take critique, just be gentle, I'm only a hobbyist.
if you want a critique my opinion is go back in and overwork it, this isnt just for you but for anyone making art and having these sort of questions while working. Make a new save, doesnt matter what happens, you dont need to show anyone what comes next if ur not happy with it, but do it. Go back in, heavily work it, get it looking better, more defined, more interesting range of marks and textures, and then when its great work some more, and more again until you ruin it, and once uve ruined it go back in and rescue it by working it even more.
A paint brush stroke on a canvas, its inherently interesting. Its got texture, brush marks, its 3D so its got an infinite range of tones and colour shifts from light hitting it, the canvas is textured, just simply real paint marks on canvas has an inherent beauty to it.
Digital has none of that, digital brush marks look like utter shit, garbage, anyone with a real eye for painting looks at a digital brush stroke with revulsion. Theyre so flat and fake and disgusting, its not a thing of beauty, its complete trash. Ppl can do cartoon, they can do purely vector work, theres great things to be done in the world of flat/gradient digital, but as a painting medium, horrible, and youll always be working against that, trying to find a way back from that. In order to make the surface interesting, in order to add that micro chaos, the beauty of marks and expression within the art that makes paintings beautiful you kind of have to overwork the piece in digital.
Its digital, you got saves, you got layers, go again. and again. and again. Work fast, keep it fun, rough and ready, make mistakes and leave them in, work back over them and fix them with more marks, do too much and then fix it by doing even more. Dont be too precious, dont be too worried, let an element of chaos take over on the micro scale and keep feeding it till it pays off on the macro scale.
Or not, it may not come together, but its a learning experience. In a lot of art, digital and hand drawing/painting type ventures, being fast + messy and then overworking it til control is somehow refound often ends up with much better art than doing less in a really slow, cautious, painstaking, precious way. If you want to learn and improve you got to let your hands go, make the mistakes. You want to be the guy who makes the simple, considered little 4 note jingles at the end of a tv advertisements or you want to be jimi hendrix swimming in feedback during a live 3 minute solo? Let your hands go, its more fun and it leads to better art over time, maybe not this time but eventually, let the chaos flow and then try to harness it, wield the void, dont be scared of it. Youve got a save button it cant hurt you, and better than using saves, make the mess and then correct it with even more paint on top because thats adding interesting complexity with every layer that goes into it.
Last edited by Snorkle_uk#0761 on Jun 28, 2018, 3:53:29 AM
This is my submission. She is a wander. Please ignore the armor. Its just i cant find proper female armor. I mean there are no different between male version and female version. Thats why i create my own (inspired from incandescent heart) well apparently looks different. Thanks GGG for your wonderful game.
Last edited by Arimasekai#5127 on Jul 3, 2018, 12:27:54 AM
if you want a critique my opinion is go back in and overwork it, this isnt just for you but for anyone making art and having these sort of questions while working. Make a new save, doesnt matter what happens, you dont need to show anyone what comes next if ur not happy with it, but do it. Go back in, heavily work it, get it looking better, more defined, more interesting range of marks and textures, and then when its great work some more, and more again until you ruin it, and once uve ruined it go back in and rescue it by working it even more.
A paint brush stroke on a canvas, its inherently interesting. Its got texture, brush marks, its 3D so its got an infinite range of tones and colour shifts from light hitting it, the canvas is textured, just simply real paint marks on canvas has an inherent beauty to it.
Digital has none of that, digital brush marks look like utter shit, garbage, anyone with a real eye for painting looks at a digital brush stroke with revulsion. Theyre so flat and fake and disgusting, its not a thing of beauty, its complete trash. Ppl can do cartoon, they can do purely vector work, theres great things to be done in the world of flat/gradient digital, but as a painting medium, horrible, and youll always be working against that, trying to find a way back from that. In order to make the surface interesting, in order to add that micro chaos, the beauty of marks and expression within the art that makes paintings beautiful you kind of have to overwork the piece in digital.
Its digital, you got saves, you got layers, go again. and again. and again. Work fast, keep it fun, rough and ready, make mistakes and leave them in, work back over them and fix them with more marks, do too much and then fix it by doing even more. Dont be too precious, dont be too worried, let an element of chaos take over on the micro scale and keep feeding it till it pays off on the macro scale.
Or not, it may not come together, but its a learning experience. In a lot of art, digital and hand drawing/painting type ventures, being fast + messy and then overworking it til control is somehow refound often ends up with much better art than doing less in a really slow, cautious, painstaking, precious way. If you want to learn and improve you got to let your hands go, make the mistakes. You want to be the guy who makes the simple, considered little 4 note jingles at the end of a tv advertisements or you want to be jimi hendrix swimming in feedback during a live 3 minute solo? Let your hands go, its more fun and it leads to better art over time, maybe not this time but eventually, let the chaos flow and then try to harness it, wield the void, dont be scared of it. Youve got a save button it cant hurt you, and better than using saves, make the mess and then correct it with even more paint on top because thats adding interesting complexity with every layer that goes into it.
LOL, TL;DR
just keep working on it cause you have a save button.
if you want a critique my opinion is go back in and overwork it, this isnt just for you but for anyone making art and having these sort of questions while working. Make a new save, doesnt matter what happens, you dont need to show anyone what comes next if ur not happy with it, but do it. Go back in, heavily work it, get it looking better, more defined, more interesting range of marks and textures, and then when its great work some more, and more again until you ruin it, and once uve ruined it go back in and rescue it by working it even more.
A paint brush stroke on a canvas, its inherently interesting. Its got texture, brush marks, its 3D so its got an infinite range of tones and colour shifts from light hitting it, the canvas is textured, just simply real paint marks on canvas has an inherent beauty to it.
Digital has none of that, digital brush marks look like utter shit, garbage, anyone with a real eye for painting looks at a digital brush stroke with revulsion. Theyre so flat and fake and disgusting, its not a thing of beauty, its complete trash. Ppl can do cartoon, they can do purely vector work, theres great things to be done in the world of flat/gradient digital, but as a painting medium, horrible, and youll always be working against that, trying to find a way back from that. In order to make the surface interesting, in order to add that micro chaos, the beauty of marks and expression within the art that makes paintings beautiful you kind of have to overwork the piece in digital.
Its digital, you got saves, you got layers, go again. and again. and again. Work fast, keep it fun, rough and ready, make mistakes and leave them in, work back over them and fix them with more marks, do too much and then fix it by doing even more. Dont be too precious, dont be too worried, let an element of chaos take over on the micro scale and keep feeding it till it pays off on the macro scale.
Or not, it may not come together, but its a learning experience. In a lot of art, digital and hand drawing/painting type ventures, being fast + messy and then overworking it til control is somehow refound often ends up with much better art than doing less in a really slow, cautious, painstaking, precious way. If you want to learn and improve you got to let your hands go, make the mistakes. You want to be the guy who makes the simple, considered little 4 note jingles at the end of a tv advertisements or you want to be jimi hendrix swimming in feedback during a live 3 minute solo? Let your hands go, its more fun and it leads to better art over time, maybe not this time but eventually, let the chaos flow and then try to harness it, wield the void, dont be scared of it. Youve got a save button it cant hurt you, and better than using saves, make the mess and then correct it with even more paint on top because thats adding interesting complexity with every layer that goes into it.
LOL, TL;DR
just keep working on it cause you have a save button.
Just a digital hater, pass along, nothing to read there.
Hope this makes some people laugh / smile :) - I'm sure people have experienced some of these incidences, especially if you play in groups and/or trade .... are you guilty?
Oh god... #1, #8 and #9 just reek of entitlement and egoism. Yeah, people who get 30 whispers for their 1c map while fighting a T16 corrupted boss sure are price-fixers if they don't reply to every single entitled kid out there.
You should instead add people who raise their price when someone whispers them to the point when people stop whispering them at all. Also, add those idiots who bother you with 'I want to buy your 2 fusing for my 1 chaos' when your listed bargain is 100:50.
Thanks for your feedback:)
With people whispering during T16 maps and/or uber-shaper boss fights, you can easily reply them after the fight to see if they still want whatever you have for sale. I did think about that when drawing the picture and it wasn't aimed for people who actually reply afterwards as they can't during a map (but aimed at people totally ignoring to price fix). It's just common politeness to not totally ignore people. It doesn't make someone "entitled" to ask for something you've listed! Just don't list the cheap products if you don't want to sell it or you can also easily put yourself in "DND" mode if you go into boss fights and don't want to be disturbed.
And I also thought that "price fixing" covers those people who raise their prices with each ignored whisper? It's very hard to cover every single exact scenario that happens in a drawing that doesn't look too similar. One thing not shown / mentioned in the drawings are actual scammers who just change the price of listed items (without asking / inquiring) in the hope you don't see. I just add them to my ignore list after some exchange of words (which usually involves the person quickly leaving the party and then not whispering again) as I hate people who try to blatantly cheat / scam.
As for those "idiots" you mention that want to buy less quantity (but at the same rate) ... you can just say "no, I sell in bulk" when you're not in a map if you don't want to sell it to them. That's not very hard to do.
Yes - totally agree that "#1, #8 and #9 just reek of entitlement and egoism" but probably not in the same way you think it does:)
Hope this makes some people laugh / smile :) - I'm sure people have experienced some of these incidences, especially if you play in groups and/or trade .... are you guilty?
Oh god... #1, #8 and #9 just reek of entitlement and egoism. Yeah, people who get 30 whispers for their 1c map while fighting a T16 corrupted boss sure are price-fixers if they don't reply to every single entitled kid out there.
You should instead add people who raise their price when someone whispers them to the point when people stop whispering them at all. Also, add those idiots who bother you with 'I want to buy your 2 fusing for my 1 chaos' when your listed bargain is 100:50.
Thanks for your feedback:)
With people whispering during T16 maps and/or uber-shaper boss fights, you can easily reply them after the fight to see if they still want whatever you have for sale. I did think about that when drawing the picture and it wasn't aimed for people who actually reply afterwards as they can't during a map (but aimed at people totally ignoring to price fix). It's just common politeness to not totally ignore people. It doesn't make someone "entitled" to ask for something you've listed! Just don't list the cheap products if you don't want to sell it or you can also easily put yourself in "DND" mode if you go into boss fights and don't want to be disturbed.
And I also thought that "price fixing" covers those people who raise their prices with each ignored whisper? It's very hard to cover every single exact scenario that happens in a drawing that doesn't look too similar. One thing not shown / mentioned in the drawings are actual scammers who just change the price of listed items (without asking / inquiring) in the hope you don't see. I just add them to my ignore list after some exchange of words (which usually involves the person quickly leaving the party and then not whispering again) as I hate people who try to blatantly cheat / scam.
As for those "idiots" you mention that want to buy less quantity (but at the same rate) ... you can just say "no, I sell in bulk" when you're not in a map if you don't want to sell it to them. That's not very hard to do.
Yes - totally agree that "#1, #8 and #9 just reek of entitlement and egoism" but probably not in the same way you think it does:)
There's one important thing you seem to not understand.
I don't have to reply to those 30 people. I'm not obligated. I get 30 whispers per every such map. And no, I won't set DND, because I will take a break from the map for expensive items that wait for a buyer for several days.
There's a very important thing you need to understand if you believe that #1, #8 and #9 reek of other side's entitlement: egoism is not 'putting your own goals and needs above everyone else'; egoism is 'expecting someone to put your goals and needs over their own'. All those 'just set DND', 'just reply to all those 5435345 people', 'just do things the way it would be convenient for me and not for you' - this is egoism, and this is being an 'A-hole'.
If you wish to fight bullshit behavior in trade, start with pricks who lack the ability to put themselves in other people's shoes and expect others to forfeit their own convenience in favor of those pricks' convenience.
Last edited by LaplaceNoMa#3989 on Jun 29, 2018, 6:10:31 AM
I'm just putting the whole critique in a spoiler since it's bloody long.
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Snorkle_uk wrote:
if you want a critique my opinion is go back in and overwork it, this isnt just for you but for anyone making art and having these sort of questions while working. Make a new save, doesnt matter what happens, you dont need to show anyone what comes next if ur not happy with it, but do it. Go back in, heavily work it, get it looking better, more defined, more interesting range of marks and textures, and then when its great work some more, and more again until you ruin it, and once uve ruined it go back in and rescue it by working it even more.
A paint brush stroke on a canvas, its inherently interesting. Its got texture, brush marks, its 3D so its got an infinite range of tones and colour shifts from light hitting it, the canvas is textured, just simply real paint marks on canvas has an inherent beauty to it.
Digital has none of that, digital brush marks look like utter shit, garbage, anyone with a real eye for painting looks at a digital brush stroke with revulsion. Theyre so flat and fake and disgusting, its not a thing of beauty, its complete trash. Ppl can do cartoon, they can do purely vector work, theres great things to be done in the world of flat/gradient digital, but as a painting medium, horrible, and youll always be working against that, trying to find a way back from that. In order to make the surface interesting, in order to add that micro chaos, the beauty of marks and expression within the art that makes paintings beautiful you kind of have to overwork the piece in digital.
Its digital, you got saves, you got layers, go again. and again. and again. Work fast, keep it fun, rough and ready, make mistakes and leave them in, work back over them and fix them with more marks, do too much and then fix it by doing even more. Dont be too precious, dont be too worried, let an element of chaos take over on the micro scale and keep feeding it till it pays off on the macro scale.
Or not, it may not come together, but its a learning experience. In a lot of art, digital and hand drawing/painting type ventures, being fast + messy and then overworking it til control is somehow refound often ends up with much better art than doing less in a really slow, cautious, painstaking, precious way. If you want to learn and improve you got to let your hands go, make the mistakes. You want to be the guy who makes the simple, considered little 4 note jingles at the end of a tv advertisements or you want to be jimi hendrix swimming in feedback during a live 3 minute solo? Let your hands go, its more fun and it leads to better art over time, maybe not this time but eventually, let the chaos flow and then try to harness it, wield the void, dont be scared of it. Youve got a save button it cant hurt you, and better than using saves, make the mess and then correct it with even more paint on top because thats adding interesting complexity with every layer that goes into it.
While that's a good idea, to save a separate file to work with, I want to stop the habit as it's also affecting my traditional mediums of choice, mainly watercolor and ink. Thank you for taking the time to provide a critique of my work.
There's one important thing you seem to not understand.
I don't have to reply to those 30 people. I'm not obligated. I get 30 whispers per every such map. And no, I won't set DND, because I will take a break from the map for expensive items that wait for a buyer for several days.
There's a very important thing you need to understand if you believe that #1, #8 and #9 reek of other side's entitlement: egoism is not 'putting your own goals and needs above everyone else'; egoism is 'expecting someone to put your goals and needs over their own'. All those 'just set DND', 'just reply to all those 5435345 people', 'just do things the way it would be convenient for me and not for you' - this is egoism, and this is being an 'A-hole'.
If you wish to fight bullshit behavior in trade, start with pricks who lack the ability to put themselves in other people's shoes and expect others to forfeit their own convenience in favor of those pricks' convenience.
Don't sell 1c items if it pisses you off that people are wanting said items! Gosh - talk about not being able to put yourself in other people's shoes when all they are doing is trying to buy items you yourself put for sale. You're just being rude, that's all I was saying. The picture was in reference to price fixers anyway but it seemed to have triggered something in you regardless, probably cos you could relate with the A-hole in the picture.
Your post does "reek" of entitlement, egoism and basically stating only care about yourself / your own needs and stuff other people if it doesn't suit you. Yeah - obviously you're not obligated to reply if you don't want to, but that just makes you rude as you were the one who put it up for sale in the first place. All you need to do is not sell 1c items and that would solve your problem, but no...
No one is expecting you to put your goals and needs above your own... but how does that relate to plain common courtesy / manners ? Does it actually take away your "needs" if you just let them know you're in some intense mapping mode and are not trading low items at that time? People have responded to me many times saying they aren't trading for whatever reason (sometimes they are in a different league and don't want to switch over, sometimes they give no reason, but just let me know so I'm not waiting), which is OK:) It doesn't make it more "convenient" for other person (they still can't buy your item), but it's just courteous, especially if they have been waiting to see if you would respond (in case you were in a boss or something). It's not like it wasn't your own fault in the first place for putting 1c maps for sale if you don't want the disturbance. There are other ways like turning off your low item tabs for sale too... but no again for some reason.
Anyway, glad this has got people talking! Showed some of my friends and they loved it... even the "guilty" ones thought it was funny:)
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