What did Elemental Hit do to deserve this upcoming nerf?

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WoT_Seanchan wrote:

Once again here's the gear previously linked, you guys try it and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about. Add in whatever flasks you guys use and you'll be surprised at your results.

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Shppy wrote:

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WoT_Seanchan wrote:

Once again here's the gear previously linked, you guys try it and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about. Add in whatever flasks you guys use and you'll be surprised at your results.

I don't need to use that gear to see the results are bad.


By your own admission, t11 bosses are a problem for you, despite using a single-target skill in a 6L on a level 87 character or whatever. Already a very bad start.


Second off, you're not even using anything unique about elemental hit. You're just adding random flat damage from other sources onto a default attack, more or less. You'd be far better served using just about any other bow skill for a build like that. It'd only take about 300 average damage from all other sources combined for the superior damage effectiveness of, say, burning arrow to beat the added damage E-hit has right now. 300 average damage is painfully easy to acquire for a flat-damage stacking build.


Like, you're complaining the rework is nerfing a skill you're using horribly inefficiently.

E-hit basically doesn't *have* an efficient use right now, it's more or less just a hipster 'ironic' skill at the moment. The rework not only makes it competitive with other skills, it gives it a real identity that's a hell of a lot more interesting than merely adding random flat damage.

If you're so pissed about this rework to e-hit 'nerfing' your build and having to grab jewel sockets or whatever, how about swapping out e-hit for another vanilla psuedo-basic attack like frenzy... even in its relatively sad state it'd still be an improvement on your build.

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1453R wrote:

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Rusery wrote:

New ele hit looks OK. In my opinion, a complete waste of design time/effort. The issue will be its clear speed. As usual its going to fall far behind many other skills. Melee ele hit is a death sentence and there are better skills for ranged.

BrokenOPmeta? Never. It was a running meme back in early 2013 and it will stay there going forward.

Ninety-five percent of the game always falls behind whatever the Clearmonsters decide is The Only Valid Way To Play(TM). The point of Old Skill Reworks like this is to take existing skills that nobody uses, such as noob-trap Elemental Hit, and pull them up to the same general level as the bulk of existing skills.

These rebuilds aren't for you. They're for the B-Level players who're content to go slower than the five-maps-a-minute clearspeed hobos in order to do interesting things, which this new rebuild of E-Hit accommodates nicely.

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WoT_Seanchan wrote:

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Shppy wrote:

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WoT_Seanchan wrote:

Once again here's the gear previously linked, you guys try it and you'll see exactly what i'm talking about. Add in whatever flasks you guys use and you'll be surprised at your results.

I don't need to use that gear to see the results are bad.


By your own admission, t11 bosses are a problem for you, despite using a single-target skill in a 6L on a level 87 character or whatever. Already a very bad start.


Second off, you're not even using anything unique about elemental hit. You're just adding random flat damage from other sources onto a default attack, more or less. You'd be far better served using just about any other bow skill for a build like that. It'd only take about 300 average damage from all other sources combined for the superior damage effectiveness of, say, burning arrow to beat the added damage E-hit has right now. 300 average damage is painfully easy to acquire for a flat-damage stacking build.


Like, you're complaining the rework is nerfing a skill you're using horribly inefficiently.

E-hit basically doesn't *have* an efficient use right now, it's more or less just a hipster 'ironic' skill at the moment. The rework not only makes it competitive with other skills, it gives it a real identity that's a hell of a lot more interesting than merely adding random flat damage.

If you're so pissed about this rework to e-hit 'nerfing' your build and having to grab jewel sockets or whatever, how about swapping out e-hit for another vanilla psuedo-basic attack like frenzy... even in its relatively sad state it'd still be an improvement on your build.

Of course I'm using something unique with Elemental Hit; the base 20% chance to freeze + non weapon basing damage. Hence why I have Voltaxic(when using bow) + Call of the Brotherhood on it for Cold & Chaos damage both non reflect due to Herald of Ice. Yes, T11 + bosses are an issue only because they don't freeze / shock like they should despite GGG's recent change stating they should be slowed. If I made and planned my build using Elemental Hit the past year, why should I switch to another skill?

With 100% - 110% chance to freeze, you'd think the bosses would be super chilled and slowed down but nah. Plus having well below -60% cold penetration...…..yeah. Anyways, as I stated before who needs map bosses to level? It's fun to play / use and does not have an issue clearing mobs. 3 reasons I haven't dared to enter it into build of the week is cause:

1) I didn't want it to be nerfed. We all know if you show it off, it's next on the nerf chopping block.


2) It's not a super speed clearing build / skill compared to others.

3) Last but not least, I don't use unique flasks (except rotgut on my bow frenzy char) so I cant tell you how much of a great boost the average x # mil dps player would get if they used the same gear and added taste of hate, etc (Though I can gurantee that one of these guys can damn sure pull off current E.H. to be Elder / Shaper + Uber viable between flasks and Doomfletch's Prism)

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1453R wrote:

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Rusery wrote:

New ele hit looks OK. In my opinion, a complete waste of design time/effort. The issue will be its clear speed. As usual its going to fall far behind many other skills. Melee ele hit is a death sentence and there are better skills for ranged.

BrokenOPmeta? Never. It was a running meme back in early 2013 and it will stay there going forward.

Ninety-five percent of the game always falls behind whatever the Clearmonsters decide is The Only Valid Way To Play(TM). The point of Old Skill Reworks like this is to take existing skills that nobody uses, such as noob-trap Elemental Hit, and pull them up to the same general level as the bulk of existing skills.

These rebuilds aren't for you. They're for the B-Level players who're content to go slower than the five-maps-a-minute clearspeed hobos in order to do interesting things, which this new rebuild of E-Hit accommodates nicely.

^^^ This seemed to fit pretty well also

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SunL4D2 wrote:

Good explanation why new Elemental Hit gonna be busted - https://www.reddit.com/r/pathofexile/comments/8mrg71/the_problem_with_new_elemental_hit_explained_in_a/

Though probably just like Trickster and some other OP stuff it won't survive actual Patch notes and won't work like that. Sigh