General Discussion - Notes about Vaal skills gems and triggering in 3.3.0 - Forum

So JIC someone else was confused half way through this post as to the word 'triggered' he is referring to gems like cast on crit, cast on damage taken etc that 'trigger' the skill without it being cast. These will cast the non vaal version of the skill but not the vaal version. Sounds to be like a potential future support gem. Vaal cast on crit? :P ~T TeenageEsthetician ElectriCooter Playing PoE since July 2012.	Posted by Temptation123#5423 on May 30, 2018, 10:34:16 PM Quote this Post
I'd like to ask about this vala gem mechanism. Since You confirmed that lvl 20 Vaal "insert skill here" socketed into +2 (example) to level of socketed vaal gems will provide us lvl 22 vaal skill AND lvl 22 normal skill (if htey are in one gem ofc), here comes my question: I will use specific example. Lets take lvl 20 vaal blade vortex. If we will add jewel called "Atziri's Reign" (15-20% increased vaal skill duration) will this duration bonus affect both Vaal Blade Vortex AND normal Blade Vortex (if they are in one gem), or only Vaal Blade Vortex without boosting duration of regular BV? :)	Posted by cr1tical_tomato#5863 on May 31, 2018, 6:51:18 AM Quote this Post
" royc3wicz wrote: I'd like to ask about this vala gem mechanism. Since You confirmed that lvl 20 Vaal "insert skill here" socketed into +2 (example) to level of socketed vaal gems will provide us lvl 22 vaal skill AND lvl 22 normal skill (if htey are in one gem ofc), here comes my question: I will use specific example. Lets take lvl 20 vaal blade vortex. If we will add jewel called "Atziri's Reign" (15-20% increased vaal skill duration) will this duration bonus affect both Vaal Blade Vortex AND normal Blade Vortex (if they are in one gem), or only Vaal Blade Vortex without boosting duration of regular BV? :) Only the Vaal one gets the extra duration, because it modifies the skill, not the gem. The +lvl effect says gems, and the gem gives 2 skills hence affecting both the normal skill and the Vaal one	Posted by Shuron#2028 on May 31, 2018, 10:14:26 AM Quote this Post
" keyarchan wrote: Also, how does vaal skills work with Ruthless support? For example with Vaal Ground Slam, can I use two normal Ground Slam attacks and then Vaal Ground Slam and get the Ruthless blow on that? Or do I need to use three Vaal Ground Slams in a row to be able to get a Ruthless blow with it? Or can I have normal Ground Slams in between? Necroing because I want to know that. How does Ruthless work with vaal skills? Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.	Posted by Perq#4049 on Jun 4, 2018, 7:49:28 AM Quote this Post
One other question: If the Vaal skill is in a triggering setup, the regular version will trigger but the VAal version won't. That makes sense. But since the gem IS in a triggering setup, will it prevent manual casting of the Vaal skill? wolf I'll take "Swords" for two hundred Alex. -Faux Sean Connery	Posted by Lightning_Wolf#7115 on Jun 4, 2018, 8:11:33 AM Quote this Post
" Lightning_Wolf wrote: One other question: If the Vaal skill is in a triggering setup, the regular version will trigger but the VAal version won't. That makes sense. But since the gem IS in a triggering setup, will it prevent manual casting of the Vaal skill? wolf Unlikely, because the support causes the gem to not be active. If you cannot support it with trigger gem, it won't get cannot be cast manually neither. Anyways, bumping for answers. D: Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.	Posted by Perq#4049 on Jun 7, 2018, 7:38:23 AM Quote this Post