Unofficial Community PvP Balance (eHLD and eLLD)

hello folks been playing lightning trap build the past few days...overall i think lightning trap is not really broken...the only broken thing about the build is cluster trap..

i think truly think cluster trap gem should be banned..so other player can figure out more new builds or reconfigure lightning trap play style

Yeah cluster/minefield is definitely broken in this format

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Rupenus wrote:

im not using minefield btw, never have used.i didnt even buy the gem.

cwdt(and flame dash was one of the biggest reasons) has been banned because it allows auto movement, we let asenath go however, since you are using. (we are allowing really bullshit mechanics to stay in the game cause some friends of ours are using, this is also slowing us down to establish a proper ruleset)

shrapnel shot is even better than barrage, and you are the living proof for that since you switched from barrage to shrapnel.
they both are shotgunning, bypass T values in different ways.

your build is using 2 mechanics which we are totally opposed to: auto movement, shotgunning (cone & projectile)

Did i say anything? yes, but i let it go. Cause we were here to have fun and/or express ourselves through our builds.

i tried to BAN blast rain too, i opposed against my own build. I couldn't raise much attention among our discord crowd.

So you are telling me, my build has no space but yours is.... you name it.

i remember i was about to join LLD too but because of a behaviour of yours i got disgusted by you and didn't want to join. This is second time this is happening.

hypocrisy at it's finest

Hey Rup I can't reply to everything right now so understand that I'm busy (running a business does that). There are some issues with our format and I fully understand that, I'm not moving forward thinking there will be no changes to our ruleset. What I personally do not want to do, is rush to ban something or constantly be banning things every 2 days. I've been keeping up with the discussion what people have issues while also givnig time to see what else happens. I've found most peoples criticisms and issues to be very valid, but I need more information to make a more informed decision about some of the problems rather than knee jerk reaction ban everything.

For example, the reason Cluster Trap isn't banned, isn't that I am currently using it it is because I don't want then to have to ban multi trap and then figure out that the problem is either the instant trap detonation or the sab node that detonates all nearby traps. PvP is complicated and I'm treating it as such. If you want me to knee jerk ban everything then I will disappoint you. I want to get as much information as possible before 3.3 and about a week before give a balance shift and see what kinks appear.

This won't be perfect but please consider two things, first the tools we have as a community to work with while always tryingt o make PvP easy to understand and jump into. Second, my time, I'm running an art gallery, while maintaining a stream, and that stream my name to that stream is why I have traction in the community to get people to try pvp.

I've not ignored the discussions going in the discord or the forum

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Skouros wrote:

Is there a list of reasons for the ban list, both skills and items? If not, can someone post one? I don't necessarily think this belongs in the main post because yeah, simplicity in the rules is good.

Some are obvious but others are not and curious minds want to know.

I will do this, when things are a little bit more concrete. Sorry for the slow response I somehow missed this comment before

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Skouros wrote:

Is there a list of reasons for the ban list, both skills and items? If not, can someone post one? I don't necessarily think this belongs in the main post because yeah, simplicity in the rules is good.

Some are obvious but others are not and curious minds want to know.

I will do this, when things are a little bit more concrete. Sorry for the slow response I somehow missed this comment before

Updated Bans in HLD
Cluster Trap Banned
Minefield Banned
Discharge Banned
Bestiary Uniques Banned
Any "triggered socketed gems" items banned

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ProjectPT wrote:

Updated Bans in HLD
Cluster Trap Banned
Minefield Banned
Discharge Banned
Bestiary Uniques Banned
Any "triggered socketed gems" items banned

These rules are getting good. People will have to move on their own, attack on their own....holy shit time to dust off the mouses boys! You're about to actually have to play the game!

no more offscreen...yay!

Discharge banned so sad.
I agreed with ban cluster and minefield, because thought trap and mine still viable w/o that gems.
But ban active skill is diffrent. If someone makes great hipster build, has to find next build soon.
I don't know would lapiz try to make new build.

yea, i'm not sure if the discharge ban is really set in stone. I dont play discharge, but it scares me a lot less than flame blast.