[Guide] What a macro is allowed to do in Path of Exile
" I honestly can't tell if you are serious. As long as you are controlling the game yourself, without using any additional software or hardware, you are not using a macro in the first place. What do you do at that point is completely irrelevant (at least for the purpose of this thread). You can't be using a banned macro if you are not using a macro. I am not sure what kind of "conflicting information" are you seeing, in this thread or anywhere else, that tells you that controlling the game using your keyboard can be against the rules. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on Jun 16, 2018, 2:00:44 PM
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" I am indeed serious. I'm trying to raise a point, but, I think the way I went about it seemed odd. I didn't want to sound like a dick so I just took a light-hearted approach but it came out wrong. I apologize for this. I'll get to the point below: The issue is that this is going way too far. There has to be a line drawn. There is no way anything in this world currently can tell you if 4 buttons are pressed with your fingers or a popsicle stick. I just find that part of this entire discussion completely asinine and I feel that it should not be included or referenced at all. |
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" Do you object to GGG's stance on the matter or my mentioning of it? “Please understand that imposing strong negative views regarding our team on to other players when you are representing our most helpful forum posters is not appropriate.” — GGG 2022
---- I'm not 'Sarno' on Discord. I don't know who that is. |
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" There is a clear line drawn: one input results in one in-game action. If you press four keys and perform four actions, it is fine. It does not matter what you are using to do this or what those four actions are. If you press one key and perform four actions, it is not fine. Regardless of whether you do this via a piece of software or via a hardware alteration. Whether something is allowed does not depend on whether it can or can not be detected. GGG's methods of cheating detection are outside of the scope of this thread, and they are something that GGG will not discuss in public, for obvious reasons. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on Jun 16, 2018, 3:07:54 PM
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Ok. I got it, it just seems really silly honestly. I really never should have posted anything, not exactly having a good day. Sorry.
p.s. for what it's worth, I'm really only focusing on the popsicle stick, and I do agree with GGG's stance. |
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I view the question and them being asked it as being fairly silly, but once they get handed the question their choices are to 1) say that it's not okay, or, 2) undermine their macro policy.
If someone asks about the rules, they can't really decline to answer. :/ “Please understand that imposing strong negative views regarding our team on to other players when you are representing our most helpful forum posters is not appropriate.” — GGG 2022
---- I'm not 'Sarno' on Discord. I don't know who that is. |
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I'm dumb, don't read my posts. have a good day
Last edited by Galactic_G#0555 on Jun 16, 2018, 3:57:08 PM
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" Thanks for linking me to this thread, it has been a good read. Based on this quote it looks like GGG are okay with people using Mercury Trade. I've not looked much into it yet, but from what I could gather it simplifies some usual events like sending certain text messages and such. Is there a quote or email correspondence with GGG that confirms the quoted information to be correct? |
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" So here is the problem with getting a straight and definitive answer such as "MercuryTrade is allowed", and why you'll likely not get this kind of response from support. Remember that the legality of a third-party tool does not depend on which tool you use, but rather on what you are using it to do. So let's imagine that GGG goes over all possible features that the tool offers, agrees that none of them break the macro policies, and indeed states in some official capacity "Using MercuryTrade is allowed". The answer is made public, and gets copied in many places around these forums, reddit, and all over the internet. Some time later, the developer of the tool adds an automated feature that is against the rules. Now you have a problem: the tool is able to do things that are not allowed; but you have a blanket statement, directly from GGG, saying that the tool itself is allowed. This statement is reproduced in various places, many of them outside of GGG's control. A player, unaware of specific macro policies, sees this statement somewhere, and confidently uses the tool including the banned feature. They are now susceptible to an action being taken against their account; despite being backed by a GGG answer telling them that what they were doing was okay. Thus, if you want to get a useful answer, don't ask: "Is using MercuryTrade allowed". State your question as: "I'm using MercuryTrade to do this function (e.g. send a trading message to a player with one key press), is this allowed?" Then you can get an answer that is both consistent with GGG's rules, applicable to your specific case, and yet also can be reasonably generalized. Last edited by Abdiel_Kavash#5296 on Jul 2, 2018, 7:45:54 AM
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That is well and good and totally understandable. However, people are using the tool and its functions are presumably well-known by the relevant people in GGG. So I would like to know if it's actually permissible to use the tool as it functions now, or not. Naturally I would assume they are fine with it, otherwise people would be banned.
Don't think I will be using it tbh, as I'm not a big trader and it's easy enough to portal back to the hideout or write a message. And all it really does, from what I could quickly gather, is to do these things for you faster with the press of a button ("The item has been sold." or suchlike). |
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