[3.11] Toasters HC Guardian Support – 12 Auras – Victario's Influence

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hansoap wrote:

Hey, thoughts on using these gloves? Frees up the ring area for the need of dex, and provides some attack speed. I can craft some flat es onto it.

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Durza1985 wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your guide. I am thinking of rolling a support for the first time in HC and after telling my mates that I liked your guide they were a bit skeptical about avoiding chaos damage with Victario's. We are playing HC and they are argueing that you were mainly chaining Poorjoy's Rota's to become lvl 100, therefore there wasn't so much chaos damage?

I know that you already wrote a section about chaos damage and things to consider with it.

My questions are:

1. What are the Pro's/Con's between Victario's in relation to Shavronne's and playing as a LL support?

2. If I choose to play this build as LL support with Shavronne's, can I still use your Level Tree and change some nodes when I go full support?

3. My endgame goal is to change my support build to LL RF Guardian (if i get the currency). Does this influence my decision between running a Victario's and Shavronne's support in the first place?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

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Toaster404 wrote:

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Durza1985 wrote:

Hi,

Thanks for your guide. I am thinking of rolling a support for the first time in HC and after telling my mates that I liked your guide they were a bit skeptical about avoiding chaos damage with Victario's. We are playing HC and they are argueing that you were mainly chaining Poorjoy's Rota's to become lvl 100, therefore there wasn't so much chaos damage?

I know that you already wrote a section about chaos damage and things to consider with it.

My questions are:

1. What are the Pro's/Con's between Victario's in relation to Shavronne's and playing as a LL support?

2. If I choose to play this build as LL support with Shavronne's, can I still use your Level Tree and change some nodes when I go full support?

3. My endgame goal is to change my support build to LL RF Guardian (if i get the currency). Does this influence my decision between running a Victario's and Shavronne's support in the first place?

Thanks in advance for your feedback.

I can understand your mates, but they are wrong. First of all, on my road to 100 I did around 30% of my exp @ Poorjoys. So most of my exp were done on regular maps, especially with crazy double beyond maps. And what causes more dangerous situations (in terms of chaos damage) than double beyond? It was an ease and I never dropped below 60% of my life.


Just tell your friends to do the maths (maths never lies). An avg HC player has around 7k life with -60% chaos res. So they could manage to survive around 4.4k chaos damage.
My support has around 1.3k life with 75% chaos res. So it would survive a hit of around 5.2k chaos damage (not considering the Pantheon).
So, obviously hits are not dangerous for you.

Now let's think about damage over time. Besides the 75% chaos res with 1.3k life you end up with MoM (around 200 mana regen/s) and 200 life regen/s (not counting in any buffs or enduring cry).
So if there is a degen of 1200 pure chaos damage per second, you could still outregen the damage (not considering Pantheon and any buffs). This would be a degen of 1920 damage/s vs the 7k life build. Even if there would be a caustic cloud dealing 5000 chaos damage per second, you could tank it longer than 1 second. The life build would be dead in less than 1 sec. And such kind of caustic clouds doesn't even exists in Poorjoys with additional chaos mob sextants (additional chaos mobs @ poorjoys, are the strongest source of chaos damage I have ever seen, and my Guardian could easily survive them. On the other side, I saw some shavs supports and life builds dying to these clouds).

Of course, you could add Coruscating Elixir and would be literally the most tanky build vs. chaos damage possible. But this is not required, since I hit 100 without it, without any close call.
I hope this convinces you and your friends! :)


Now let's come to your questions:
1. I wrote the answer already in the build guide, just check it out. (short form: better offense, defense, cheaper)

2. No, this is not possible. The shavs and Victarios supports are using completely different trees.

3. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to start as support and respecc as RF later, since that are fundamental different builds. As I told some other ppl, if you want to play support, play support.. if you want to play RF, play RF.. don't mix both.
In the end, my tree is closer to the RF tree, than the tree of a LL Shavs, but the difference is not huge.

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InDang3r wrote:

Hello, can I am a newbie in this game. Can i ask why we are not using purity of elements in the auras, i see it increases 27% all resists for guardian and his party.

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Manuelitoildrito wrote:

anyone minds elaborating a bit more on the 2x poet's for levelling? which gems have you used?
in this setting do you also use tabula rasa (which gems)?
thanks!