[3.0] Kurii's Fallacy - Tanky Crit Dark Pact Zerker [Deathless Shaper & Uber Atziri / Clear Speed]

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obaybee wrote:

Finally got the sword, paid about 50x times its worth but oh well. Reluctant to let go of my almost gg dagger (t1 cast speed\attack speed\t2 spell damage) but seems worth it for the free curse application.

Went through at least a dozen marylenes as well...

So a huge crit multiplies bonus allowing sufficient leech without a savage hit, but I have trouble believing this outperforms doedre's elixer which procs Cloaked in Savagery + 3 charges, and was more surprised you don't mention the flask. Atziri's promise is pretty powerful as well, I can usually clear t15s with this alone.

Gonna test Doedre's\Panicked Life\Rumis\Diamond\Silver combo and report back.

Also your jewels are pretty insane and account for over 100k dps\leech and 600 life.

Looks like I have a lot of crafting to do :)

You are correct; the curse on hit is the very reason we use this The Rippling Thoughts. You can still use your gg dagger for Hexproof mods if you need it though. Since we have a large critical strike multiplier, Assassin's Mark supplements this by adding a huge flat critical strike chance independent of the skill's critical strike chance base. Another good reason to use this sword is the free level 21 Arcane Surge without needing to spend an action to use it (set and forget).

The primary reason for your amulet is for DPS, and the high leech from a single hit is just a bonus. This allows us to sit inside Shaper's beam without using life flasks when not savagely hit. While it is true that a rare amulet can outperform this one, it is very difficult and costly to get one with +1 addition curse. This is why we stick with Marylene's Fallacy.

Doedre's Elixir and Atziri's Promise is mentioned in the Leveling section. These flasks are used if you have a tough time sustaining your life with Dark Pact, but they are not used in the end-game because you shouldn't need it. These flasks take a lot of charges to use so they can be great in short boss fights because you can use all three offense flasks at once, but probably not longer fights. You are better off using another Diamond Flask since you can use it more than once, and it will raise your DPS enough to sustain Dark Pact and the damage would be greater than Cloaked in Savagery plus 3 charges.

Leeching shouldn't be an issue for general mapping because there are multiple targets; it's only an issue for single target fights.

That flask setup looks reasonable. You should do just fine! Good luck with your maps crafts.

Wow ya that makes sense. This is a really well thought out build and you preemptively answered my question about your cwdt setup. Though I noticed you have cwdt setup with lvl 20s would you mind explaining that? I'm guessing dark pact and boss damage procs it enough, but perhaps a lower lvl setup will be more ideal for mapping - not sure.

Also is there a particular reason you use lightning golem and not immortal call?

My build update: 10 ex later (xbox economy is pricey af) and some insane luck crafting a tri res t1 life decide mask and comparable boots I'm sitting at just over 7k life and 61k hideout dps (unbuffed).

The jewels and crafted rings will take a week or so but that will close the gap and I then can give you a full review.

Thanks man. I don't think I'd be playing without the tons of player created guides and tips out there, I really appreciate your help.

How much do u think to do this build?

I'm tired of my boss killer (warchief totem), thinking about to switch to another build, but first i need to see how much it would cost only have 40ex :-(

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obaybee wrote:

Wow ya that makes sense. This is a really well thought out build and you preemptively answered my question about your cwdt setup. Though I noticed you have cwdt setup with lvl 20s would you mind explaining that? I'm guessing dark pact and boss damage procs it enough, but perhaps a lower lvl setup will be more ideal for mapping - not sure.

Also is there a particular reason you use lightning golem and not immortal call?

My build update: 10 ex later (xbox economy is pricey af) and some insane luck crafting a tri res t1 life decide mask and comparable boots I'm sitting at just over 7k life and 61k hideout dps (unbuffed).

The jewels and crafted rings will take a week or so but that will close the gap and I then can give you a full review.

Thanks man. I don't think I'd be playing without the tons of player created guides and tips out there, I really appreciate your help.

You are correct again. We run a high level CWDT and Lightning Golem for bosses to increase our DPS. Bosses hit hard so this keeps our Lightning Golem active. We don't really care about it in general mapping, but it does increase our clear speed. I've tried using a low level Lightning Golem and they die way too easily to anything.

Immortal Call can be used for general mapping or in Labyrinth, but it only helps in very few instances of boss fights because of its duration and only against physical damage. Immortal Call helps a lot with constant physical damage like if you sit in Minotaur's cave-in, labyrinth traps, or Harbinger packs, but it does not help you against large slow physical hits. It can help with survivability, but it is largely left to chance - having a low level CWDT and Immortal Call can help with this by raising the frequency of occurrences. Since we do not run Endurance charges, we can live with a low level Immortal Call.

In short, we choose Lightning Golem over Immortal Call for bosses as we gain constant DPS to kill the boss quicker as opposed to an inconsistent chance to block incoming physical damage. I would, however, recommend Immortal Call for leveling because it adds an extra layer of defense to prevent that exp loss on death.

Congrats on your crafts and thanks for your kind words! I'm glad this guide is helping you.

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TiagoRox wrote:

How much do u think to do this build?

I'm tired of my boss killer (warchief totem), thinking about to switch to another build, but first i need to see how much it would cost only have 40ex :-(

To be frank, the end build can be costy. Let's break it down from budget to decent gear.

Weapon : 5c to 80c
Shield: 1c
Body Armour: 80c to 600c (5L to 6L)
Helmet without enchant: 5c to 30c
Gloves: 5c to 50c
Boots: 5c to 50c
Belt: 1c to 15c
Amulet: 1c to 200c (non-corrupt to +1 curse corrupt)
Ring1: 1c to 100c (Doedre's Damning to decent chaos damage ring with life)
Ring2: 5c to 100c

Jewels: 5c to 100c or more (each)

This doesn't include skill gems.

Ran the ugliest t15s I could muster and it was pretty much a cake walk. Facetanked minotaur twice with one death. Definitely understand your flasks choice now.

However I'm not convinced haste\artic armor\herald of ice is sustainable unfortunately. I have a bit more mana than your pob link with a base 4.2 cast p\s and notice dark pact will stall if I'm not regenerating\leeching enough mana. Hopefully I'm wrong since a lvl 3 enlightenment gem was the most expensive upgrade for me. And t15 Colosseum boss still gives me problems for some reason.

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obaybee wrote:

Ran the ugliest t15s I could muster and it was pretty much a cake walk. Facetanked minotaur twice with one death. Definitely understand your flasks choice now.

However I'm not convinced haste\artic armor\herald of ice is sustainable unfortunately. I have a bit more mana than your pob link with a base 4.2 cast p\s and notice dark pact will stall if I'm not regenerating\leeching enough mana. Hopefully I'm wrong since a lvl 3 enlightenment gem was the most expensive upgrade for me. And t15 Colosseum boss still gives me problems for some reason.

Nice! You're getting there.

May I know your mana regeneration and maximum mana stats, and are you taking the same mana nodes as me (Shaper, Tireless, and Quick Recovery? You may notice that your Dark Pact staggers (indicated by the flickering of your hotkey) due to mana problems. While this is not ideal, it is tolerable. You can see in my videos that I stagger as well with only 80 unreserved mana. If this affects your ability to cast and leech quickly, I recommend disabling Herald of Ice until you get more regeneration.

For the Colosseum boss, I set up a Wither Totem and let him come to me. He will go invulnerable 3 times; I try to look out for this and not waste my life on empty Dark Pacts. I run away and keep moving so I don't stand in the flying swords. During this time, I put up a new Wither Totem and repeat until he dies. The Wither will help with sustaining Dark Pact.

Mana is 1119 but yup I missed Shaper. Gracias sensei

A big THANK YOU for this very detailed guide.

Expecially the strategie section is very helpfull. I´m following this guide and having no problems up to tier 16 maps. Here and there a (mostly) self-inflicted death :)

Concerning the cost breakdown:
In case of Ami and Jewels it does not match the current prices.
Ami with +1 curse - the last that I saw cost 7ex (last Monday I believe) - atm not a single Mary with +1 curse at poetrade - WTB yours offer 200c :)
Jewels with +6/7 life and 2 good Damage mods starts at 100c.

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obaybee wrote:

Mana is 1119 but yup I missed Shaper. Gracias sensei

De nada, grasshopper.

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Buster1311 wrote:

A big THANK YOU for this very detailed guide.

Expecially the strategie section is very helpfull. I´m following this guide and having no problems up to tier 16 maps. Here and there a (mostly) self-inflicted death :)

Concerning the cost breakdown:
In case of Ami and Jewels it does not match the current prices.
Ami with +1 curse - the last that I saw cost 7ex (last Monday I believe) - atm not a single Mary with +1 curse at poetrade - WTB yours offer 200c :)
Jewels with +6/7 life and 2 good Damage mods starts at 100c.

No problem! Glad to be of service.

I looked into the amulet again, seems most people want to sell it at 200c now (but I know some people will give you a discount and I've seen some at 150c before). Which is reasonable considering the corrupting rates. According to Taiwanese datamine site (http://poedb.tw/us/mod.php?cn=MapFragment#Amulets, the chance to get the +1 curse implicit is 0.66%.

This equates to 1/0.0066 = 151.515 ~ 152 amulets and Vaal Orbs. You can buy Marylene's Fallacy for 1 Orb of Alchemy. I believe the going rate right now is about 7 Orb of Alchemy to 2 Chaos Orb (152 / (7/2) ~ 44). And Vaal Orb to Chaos Orb is a solid 1:1.

44c in Alchemy + 152c in Vaal = 196c

But again, people are willing to sell for less if you ask. 6-link armor should sell for at least 750c since it statistically takes 1,500 Fusings to get one, but you can grab the armor for much cheaper.


You are right about Jewels. A good one can be pretty expensive, but starter ones with one ideal stat is pretty cheap. Two ideal stats can be around 20-60c.


I will adjust my previous most and add the info about getting the curse implicit to the guide. Thanks!

Thank you again.

Where did you find the Marylene's with +1 curse for 200c?

I'm always looking at poetrade. Is there another way/store to look for items (sorry for the noob question)?