[3.0] Wand’s Guide to Wanding – Comprehensive Overview of Wanders

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RawDamage wrote:

Sorry for stupid question(really not trolling). Why we spend a lot of currency if shaper and guardians can be done deathless with 2-4ex budget with another builds?
p.s. in temp league most of players never achieve such budget, so they never achieve such damage and survivability

T1 clear speed + very enjoyable gameplay.
The "kill guardians with 2ex budget" builds aren't doing particularly great in this regard

Are retch really better for clearspeed than HH or good rare belt? My gear;

I'm very lazy and neverlucky (or this league is too boring and retarded for me), so i'm don't have HH, but, i have the retch from previous build. And it's costs 13 exalts, so, i can just sell it and buy better ring/rare wand with good dps/culling strike piscator. I'll equip quantity belt/rare belt instead of the retch until i'll farm my HH. All this manipulations give me something like +15-20% KB dps.
Btw i'm don't have probles with farm for this moment, but good dps increase seems like not bad upgrade.
And is here any dps differenc between culling strike piscator and rare wand with semi prices? Seems pretty simmilar for me.
Sorry for bad eng, not my native language.

Hello, i have question, cuz ive fot 100 ex budget, and im wondering if i can do a wander, and be able to do end game, with this budget (shaper/guardians/mapping)

If yes, what route choose, pathfinder/ ascendant / raider/ etc..

Cheers,

Honestly you can build a wander for 2-3ex and be able to do ALL content just fine and farm maps with IIQ comfortably.

Downside is you'll have 'only' 1m dps instead of 3m+ that you can get with top-tier gear(100ex+). For reference, Chimera/Hydra have 9.5m hp, Mino/Phoenix have 12.5m, Shaper has 20m.

Scion is only so you can be 100% immune to reflect and get Deadeye stuff, probably the safest and cheaper for mapping but the weakest choice if you plan on doing bosses.

Raider is more chill gameplay not having to worry about flasks all the time.

Pathfinder is my favorite and i think the strongest, just remember that YOU NEED YOUR FLASKS 100% OF THE TIME.

My pathfinder wander with 250c TOTAL worth of gear AND flasks, roughly 3ex for everything

Facetank +dmg mino: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knKKK1Tzre8
Phoenix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJo8l8jkFUU
Vault w/ IIQ gear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=110fQKTNsE4

Okey, im playing on standard, and need advice, with gear setup.. for my 100 ex budget

Thoughts on going wander as a starter build for the upcoming 10 day Turmoil / Mayhem leagues? I've never played a wander but want to try one, curious if the crazy flow of gear will make building a 10 day wander easy?

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bukiet95 wrote:

Okey, im playing on standard, and need advice, with gear setup.. for my 100 ex budget

What are your objectives?

@phosphenez

I feel you are exaggerating a bit.
The guardians are doable on budget, but dying sun alone is 3-4 ex in most leagues. And even in this league sun+attack vinktars alone exceed your budget limit. Haven't really looked into your numbers (mobile) but 1mill seems rather high for that budget (with right configs).

Same with 100ex+ and 3 mill dps. You need WAY more than 100ex IMO.
Just some random values with my gear:

dmg with the current mapping setup and minor adjustments (atziris instead of jade, dpsammu for biscos), frenzy + PC (due to vaal breach): 1.4 mill

With random esh mirror adjustment (20 shocked enemies) --> 1.6m. It's way more when the buffs are up but it depends on the breach (feel free to correct this estimate, if you feel it's wrong.)


OK.. let's say I optimize my tree for bosses instead and respec 5(!) life nodes for dmg instead. In the next step I add perfect rat's +2 to the POB as well as 6x 21/20 + deactivate frenzies.
With lvl 21/20 wrath + emp. 4 that's only about 2.5 m dps -with easily over 100ex budget and 5.1k life on lvl 99.

The next improvement would be +2 TB(almost no dps gains) and a better wand for another 150+ex ---> 2.8m, maybe..2.9 with a mirrored wand

Or I can activate onslaught, VH, "shocked" and always on full life for ez game instead ;-)

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juerk wrote:

I feel you are exaggerating a bit.
The guardians are doable on budget, but dying sun alone is 3-4 ex in most leagues. And even in this league sun+attack vinktars alone exceed your budget limit. Haven't really looked into your numbers (mobile) but 1mill seems rather high for that budget (with right configs).

Yeah the prices were based off HSC, forgot to mention.

Dying sun is currently 85c, also i'm using Penetration vinktar on the videos, not +attacks, cost me 30c.

Basically what you need is 20/20 gems, dying sun + pen vinktar, uber lab enchant on boots and the +lightning craft from Elreon, fill with high hp rares and whatever else you like, i try to get str cause its even more life, and int for Piscator's. Also get to AT LEAST level 90.

Also don't forget that HoI + CoH + Assassin's Mark is basically useless for T16+ fights as you won't be shattering stuff easily, so you should replace that for HoT and something like OoS + CoH - Proj weakness/Culling.

I'll never check shocked unless im playing something like Heavy Strike Starforge.

Onslaught possibly yes, as i don't use Quicksilver on most endgame fights, i go 4 dps flasks + silver flask or for minotaur facetanking 1 basalt, 3 dps flasks and silver flask.

Also yeah, i use dmg on full life instead of slower projectiles, the damage is a lot higher and if you touch anything with Vinktar up you'll be at full life instantly, uptime for flasks/full life hasn't been a problem for me, i do have quite a lot of flask duration though, my Vinktar/Dying Sun have 8s~ duration.

This is my PoB for reference: https://pastebin.com/ffMFqm15

400k Unbuffed dps, 1.6m with Power charges(offhand shield) and Dying Sun + Vinktar + Diamond, 1,8m adding Silver flask, 2m with Atziri's which i use for Phoenix/Hydra. Add OoS-CoH-Proj Weakness and its at 2.3m, check intimidated (to simulate Vinktar 10%~ shock) and it goes to 2.5m.

Swap to +2 rat's nest and it jumps from 2.5 to 3.4 BURST dps while being at 45ex~ total of gear, most of it being the +2 rat's, worth noting a +2 barrage rare/devoto's will give like 70-80% of the dps a rat's nest would give you, while being roughly 500% cheaper.

Seems like a lot of stuff but ain't that hard to manage, generate power charges before engaging boss, pop all flasks and facetank with barrage, pop OoS before bursting if you know you'll need the extra damage

It's pretty respectable dps considering it was mostly cheap stuff

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Phosphenez wrote:

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juerk wrote:

I feel you are exaggerating a bit.
The guardians are doable on budget, but dying sun alone is 3-4 ex in most leagues. And even in this league sun+attack vinktars alone exceed your budget limit. Haven't really looked into your numbers (mobile) but 1mill seems rather high for that budget (with right configs).

Yeah the prices were based off HSC, forgot to mention.

Dying sun is currently 85c, also i'm using Penetration vinktar, not +attacks, cost me 30c.

Basically what you need is 20/20 gems, dying sun + pen vinktar, uber lab enchant on boots and the +lightning craft from Elreon, fill with high hp rares and whatever else you like, i try to get str cause its even more life, and int for Piscator's. Also get to AT LEAST level 90.

Also don't forget that HoI + CoH + Assassin's Mark is basically useless for T16+ fights as you won't be shattering stuff easily, so you should replace that for HoT and something like OoS + CoH - Proj weakness/Culling.

HoI+ AM is mostly there for power charges and better vaal breach clear/shatter.
Technically something like oos-coh-
proj weakness + perfectly precast rallying cry on brinerot flag on weaponswap give a higher number but I'm not sure about the actual dps.

With pen vinktars it - might - work out (at this point of the league). I still think the number is a tiny bit too high for my taste but all the PoB stuff is highly subjective anyway (since there are no calibration standards or common practices whatsoever)

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HoI+ AM is mostly there for power charges and better vaal breach clear/shatter.
Technically something like oos-coh-
proj weakness + perfectly precast rallying cry on brinerot flag on weaponswap give a higher number but I'm not sure about the actual dps.

With pen vinktars it - might - work out (at this point of the league). I still think the number is a tiny bit too high for my taste but all the PoB stuff is highly subjective anyway (since there are no calibration standards or common practices whatsoever)

Ah yeah, if you use Vaal Breach then HoI setup is fine to keep, basically just need to know the fight beforehand and optimize for it, i don't like relying on the HoI for T16/Shaper so i just drop the setup and go for OoS-CoH-Proj.Weakness-Culling or PCoC, i just adapted to what worked best for me while trying to keep it as cheap as possible.

There's a lot of different options and playstyles that are viable and pretty good, i'm sure most people will disagree on the CoH setup, but proj weakness gives hella damage!

Point is: Wanders CAN perform reasonably well on a budget using rare gear and Piscator + Lycosidae(i'd never try it as league starter though), i see so many guides telling people to stack a ton of damage through WED, then they end up getting 40% WED rolls with no life/res and get destroyed with 3k life, or spend a fortune on HP + WED stuff while using a 5L, making +Attacks vinktar a priority instead of upgrading gear, low level gems etc.

Also IMO Opal rings are WAY too expensive for what they give, a good opal is probably gonna be a couple ex unless you craft yourself and get lucky, a resist/coral is fine, Diamond Ring is a good offensive alternative while being a lot cheaper.

+Attacks Vinktar is better, but not mandatory, flat +damage performs just as good as +% WED while being a lot cheaper, and even the master craft will give you quite a lot of damage