PoEconomics: Belton's Market Manifesto (WIP)

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One can safely assume that a 5ex item in the league on, say, day 7 of said league, whose standard counterpart costs 80ex, will appreciate over the course of the league, venturing closer to that equilibrium point.


But here is the mistake, it is already at equilibrium the moment it is priced, the 5ex item is already worth 40 in standard 7 days into a league because the RMT value of those 5ex are inflated to a matching degree of the equivelent ratio in standard.

Now dont get me wrong i see where you are coming from but it just doesnt back up when comparing apples and oranges, there is SOME of this "special profit" to be made but they are exceptions to the rule and would encompass things like perfect crafts bought early in a league. But if you buy a pair of skyforth on day 7 for 5 ex those 5 ex are probably worth the 40 or so you could buy in standard for the equivalent price.

There is no "winning" it might seem like it to you or mr random when hes like i got this 40 ex item for 5ex but those controlling the "real" market this is a zero sum exchange.
Last edited by stormyknight on Jun 5, 2017, 12:55:52 AM
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stormyknight wrote:
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Zakaluka wrote:
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Belton wrote:

Standard pricepoint equilibrium:


Good points. I've always wondered a bit at how people call the economy in standard broken or any number of other things. In actuality the price differences between standard and a brand new hardcore league, from an economist's perspective, seem very much like the difference between an emerging economy and a very mature economy.

Less so the "dumping ground" theory.


OPS entire theorem is BS because he does not include the one factor which maintains equilibrium of the conversion rates between all leagues which is RMT... RMT weather you want to admit it or not is the SOLE driver of price manipulation between leagues, no amount of in game blah blah blah does fuck all when compared to the REAL WORLD $$$$$ which are made in games with open trading systems.

RMT conversion rates for any game with an open market can not only be be traced to a few big conglomerates which control most of the ENTIRE RMT game trading scene for all games but you will find that the conversion rates between one game and another are all roughly in sync with one another meaning TOP TIER ITEMX in gun game A is roughly worth the same as TOP TIER ITEMX in rpg game B.

What does this all mean ? What it actually means is that no matter what you want to propose or theorize the real economy is being controlled and manipulated to make bank and everyone else falls in line.


These theorems aren't all encompassing nor do they claim universal application, obviously RMT is a pervasive and insidious economic factor that influences the game's economy. This is meant to simply illustrate a predictable trend in item appreciation based on historical data. One can safely assume that a 5ex item in the league on, say, day 7 of said league, whose standard counterpart costs 80ex, will appreciate over the course of the league, venturing closer to that equilibrium point.

One cannot account for RMT companies activities, albeit I do typically avoid currency investments (turning all ex into c and vice versa a la arbitrage for example) due to concerns about this.

These are overarching thematic principles that can help informed decisions be made with some degree of confidence based on the trends and cycles I have observed over ~10 leagues of play. Don't look into that as a statement of universal applicability without potential recourse. Obviously, there are outliers.
on Jun 5, 2017
Looks like someone turned into a necromancer hoho
Gotta give it to OP, necromancing his own 6 year old thread by replying to the last comment as if nothing was going on is pretty smooth :D
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Dear economist, can you please explain some simple things.

For example:

League starts. Everyone have 0 everything.

Then suddenly in trade wild items apper - Х divines, XX divines, XXX divines, YYY mirrors and so on.

WIld MFers roam countless Crimson Temples and find tonns of Apothecaries, put them on sale for XX divines.

If there is a golden ke... ehh if there are such items worth XX-XXX divines probably someone buys them.

Where do they get (every league) XXX divines if everyone have started form 0.

Question # 1 Where "money" in such quantities come from every time, every league?

Question # 2 If there is such places why everybody does not simply "extract oil", considered it is not even near difficult/demanding as extracting real oil?
Last edited by BambulaGTS on Oct 17, 2023, 5:38:11 AM
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BambulaGTS wrote:
Dear economist, can you please explain some simple things.

For example:

League starts. Everyone have 0 everything.

Then suddenly in trade wild items apper - Х divines, XX divines, XXX divines, YYY mirrors and so on.

WIld MFers roam countless Crimson Temples and find tonns of Apothecaries, put them on sale for XX divines.

If there is a golden ke... ehh if there are such items worth XX-XXX divines probably someone buys them.

Where do they get (every league) XXX divines if everyone have started form 0.

Question # 1 Where "money" in such quantities come from every time, every league?

Question # 2 If there is such places why everybody does not simply "extract oil", considered it is not even near difficult/demanding as extracting real oil?


we cant answer because of censorship but..R--M--... you figure out the last letter.
Last edited by Lyutsifer665 on Oct 17, 2023, 6:08:39 AM
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we cant answer because of censorship but..R--M--... you figure out the last letter.


Not an answer.

To buy money someone needs to sell them to you.

So where that guy get the money. And if there are such places why not everybody just pump oil 24/7 instead of doing everything else.

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BambulaGTS wrote:
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we cant answer because of censorship but..R--M--... you figure out the last letter.


Not an answer.

To buy money someone needs to sell them to you.

So where that guy get the money. And if there are such places why not everybody just pump oil 24/7 instead of doing everything else.



what answer do you want?

there are mirrors and mageblood belts etc on trade after day 2 of a fresh league...who puts them there, do ppl farm it or?? you figure it out...

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