Damage Over Time Changes - More Information

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Synergy1337 wrote:

Why do people say double dipping will be removed? Technically, if elemental damage increases fire skill damage and ignite damage, that is in fact double dipping. Just because global generic damage increase doesnt double dip anymore doesnt mean double dipping is removed.

I came back to this game after several years break and had to learn the mechanics of the game again. I can only speak for myself, but i didnt expect increased elemental damage to both increase the skill and the ignite. The ignite is already based off the skills fire damage, so why would it get increased one more time? Same with poison.

This doesnt make logically sense and is a mechanic that never should have been in the game. But im guessing the developers like to have the game be cryptic and more complicated than it has to be. Then again, double dipping is already in the game and you now suddenly want to make it much weaker and kill build diversity? Poison/ ignite is not even top meta, so why should it be nerfed? If you are gonna nerf damage mechanics you should do it across the board. Just look at the ultra strong builds that doesnt even use poison/ ignite.

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Will there be a way to make spells, via tree or gem, inflict bleeding, such as those that deal physical damage, or give minions that deal physical damage the ability to inflict a bleed?

Bleeding is specific to attack damage, so it cannot be applied by spells. We're trying out a new Chance to Bleed support gem during the Beta, so you will be able to easily give your Minions or attacks a chance to bleed.

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MagusTheGrim wrote:

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Synergy1337 wrote:

Why do people say double dipping will be removed? Technically, if elemental damage increases fire skill damage and ignite damage, that is in fact double dipping. Just because global generic damage increase doesnt double dip anymore doesnt mean double dipping is removed.

I came back to this game after several years break and had to learn the mechanics of the game again. I can only speak for myself, but i didnt expect increased elemental damage to both increase the skill and the ignite. The ignite is already based off the skills fire damage, so why would it get increased one more time? Same with poison.

This doesnt make logically sense and is a mechanic that never should have been in the game. But im guessing the developers like to have the game be cryptic and more complicated than it has to be. Then again, double dipping is already in the game and you now suddenly want to make it much weaker and kill build diversity? Poison/ ignite is not even top meta, so why should it be nerfed? If you are gonna nerf damage mechanics you should do it across the board. Just look at the ultra strong builds that doesnt even use poison/ ignite.

It doesn't double dip now, even in the way you suggest. The DoT and the hit get the same additions to them, but now have the same initial damage rather than the multiplied hit damage being the basis for the DoT. So, fire damage will apply to both, but won't apply to the DoT a second time.

They clearly explain how double dipping doesn't apply anymore, and haven't said it in a complicated way.

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FrankCarnax wrote:

I intended to try the new patch by doing a Ice Spear Ignite build with the Three Dragons mask, focusing on the Ignite damage. Reading all these changes to Ignite fucked up my plans. If I understand, taking Cold Damage in my passive will boost my Ice Spear damage, but it will not burn a lot. Taking Fire Damage will make my Ice Spear do less damage, but burn a lot. Getting critical multiplier will boost the Spear, but not the Ignite. There will be nodes to apply this multiplier to the Ignite by sacrifying the hit damage, but keep the same critical chance?

So if I want to do a lot of burning damage with Ice Spear, I take Fire Damage, Critical Strike Chance for Spells, Critical Multiplier, convert this Multiplier to Ailments. This way the Ice Spear will do a poor cold damage, but it will burn as hell?

And the support gems I can use to boost the Ignite damage is Increased Burning Damage and Added Cold Damage? Other "increased spell damage" or "increased projectile damage" won't affect it?

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GrandmasterWarlock wrote:

I am a lvl 93 Champion Ess Drain/Contagion Tank.

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1766555

I was wondering how these changes will effect me when using Essence Drain.

Will I still be able to use the Slower Projectiles gem to boost my Essence Drain damage spread through Contagion? If not, what is a sixth gem I can use now to replace it?

Will we be getting new jewels/gems that support aoe builds, or support Essence Drain builds?

How does Decay work with Essence Drain now?

And also, will Contagion's AOE be getting a boost to compensate for any drop in damage due to possible nerfs to Essence Drain's damage?

Thanks!

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Is the design intent of correcting double dipping also going to come with a rebalance of end-game monster HP?
This is something we'll be reviewing during Beta. It's unlikely that we'll change the health of the highest tier content; The most effective Damage over Time builds made the content far easier than was intended

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Zboublemeteor wrote:

good to hear that immunities for engame bosses will be gone, that was a needed change, clearing guardians with cold skill was too hard compared to other ailements.

on the other hand, i'm really concerned about changes on double dipping. so far, i play my own builds and i use double dipping (2 out of my 3 builds this league used double dipping). reading some of the comments here, it's like you melt endgame bosses instantly and utterly destroy all content when you double dip. Let's be serious one sec : IT IS NOT TRUE for most builds. I was able to clear all content in the game with my last build only (the other double dipping one fell short but close to it), but fuck, that was hard and no way near some insane exemple of OP builds like the scourge blade flurry, thoses insanes barrage poison builds or the infamous HoWA (pretty sure it was the most used build this league).

the issue i see is that by trying to promote diversity of builds by killing double dipping we will just end up with less builds able to kill shaper/uber atziri.

HoWA/leadsprinkler builds will still destroy endgame content without being touched while most of builds using double dipping will probably be burried.

let's see how this is compensated, but i'm worried this transition will be long, painfull and unbalanced.

not too happy about the new additional affixes on weapons too, i only crafted stuff to sell them after because the chances to get what you want are too low and costly, we need less affixes, not new ones...