[3.4.0][Consecrated Path / Reave / BF] [BERS - dual crit] (Uber Elder / Aul / U Atziri - videos)

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kira1414 wrote:

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NobleWhale wrote:

Hi. Could someone please validate my math?

There are two pieces of armor.

Lightning Coil (I know this one is not great - bought it for almost nothing just to test):
http://imgur.com/9Pe5zvf

And a good rare piece:
http://imgur.com/53GelwE


Let's assume that a character has maxed (75%) elemental resists and receives 1,000 physical damage.

Based on my stats, if I wear Lightning Coil, this will translate to:
1,000 x 28% armor's physical damage reduction = 720.

720 x 0.3 x 0.25 (Lightning Coil's damage turned into lightning damage after resists) = 54
720 x 0.7 (portion of physical damage, that remains unchanged) = 504
54 + 504 = 558 = damage received

558 x 16% (chance to evade) = 89
558 - 89 = 469 = final, average damage received

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Now, what if I wear my rare armor?
1,000 x 35% armor's physical damage reduction = 650.
558 x 8% (chance to evade) = 52
650 - 52 = 598 = final, average damage received


598 is 28% more damage received than 469, making Lightning Coil vastly superior armor - at least as far as physical damage mitigation is concerned. Of course, it doesn't have attribute bonuses of my rare and its resists are... how should I say that politely... absolute crap but that's not what I'm focusing on right now.

Does the above make sense?

Your math does not include the 40% Abyssus penalty.

For lightning coil, it should work out to be:
1,000 x 28% armor's physical damage reduction x 1.4 (Abyssus Penalty) = 720 x 1.4 = 1008.

1008 x 0.3 x 0.25 (Lightning Coil's damage turned into lightning damage after resists) = 75.6
1008 x 0.7 (portion of physical damage, that remains unchanged) = 705.6
75.6 + 705.6 = 781.2 = damage received

For Rare armor:
1,000 x 35% armor's physical damage reduction x 1.4 (Abyssus Penalty) = 650 x 1.4 = 910.

I did not include evasion as I take worse case scenario.

From above, Lightning Coil will still stand out as it has lower incoming physical damage taken.

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Horhen wrote:

1)PDR and abyssus apply only to phys dmg. And shift from Coil applies earlier. So assuming total PDR=28% (no ECharges, Basalt flask and so on) we have:
1000*0.3*0.25 = 75 (lightning dmg)
1000*0.7(coil)*0.72(PDR)*1.4(abyssus)= 686
686+75=761 damage received

2)
You forgot about physical damage reduction calculation.
It depends on your armour and phys damage of hit.
Coil reduces phys dmg so your PDR will be as if you have 42% more armour.

With 3K Armour(it'll give you about 22% PDR with 1K hit) and 3 ECharges, 1K phys hit:
a)1000*0.3*0.25=75 (lightning dmg)
b)phys
1000*0.7=700 - phys dmg of hit
3000/(7000+3000)= 30% - PDR from armour
30+3*4(ECharges)=42% - PDR total (with 4 ECharges and Basalt flask up it's 66)
700*0.58=406 - Phys dmg after PDR

abyssus(without fortify)
406*1.4=568

568+75=643 total damage received

with fortify and 4 ECharges:
700*0.54*1.2=454 Phys damage

454+75=529 total damage received

Rare gives about 1K additional armour, so:
4000/(10000+4000)=29% PDR from armour, total PDR 41%
1000*0.59*1.4=826 - total damage taken with rare
826/643=1.28
28% more damage received with 3 ECharges and without Fortify

4 Echarges and Fortify:
1000*0.55*1.2=660 - total damage taken with rare
660/454=1.45
45% more damage received with fortify and 4 echarges

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Horhen wrote:

3000/(7000+3000)= 30% - PDR from armour

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Horhen wrote:

4000/(10000+4000)=29% PDR from armour, total PDR 41%

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kira1414 wrote:

1) Thanks for the input. I always thought Lightning Coil is applied after the deduction. Good to know it is applied before. This way the damage taken will be much lower.

2) Physical reduction was considered. Thus 650 x 1.4 instead of 1000 x 1.4.

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Horhen wrote:

3000/(7000+3000)= 30% - PDR from armour

For the above, what is this 7000?

and

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Horhen wrote:

4000/(10000+4000)=29% PDR from armour, total PDR 41%

what is this 10000? I am assuming it should be the same thing as above.

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Boyan wrote:

How do you deal with ele reflect with this build?

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Shinz0r wrote:

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Boyan wrote:

How do you deal with ele reflect with this build?

I use Warchief Totem to kill the monsters with this affixe. But sometimes, i don't pay attention to them, and the reflect instakill me.



Could someone help me to upgrade my character to the next level? With Hatred and HoA i have atm 21000 DPS, 34 000 with CE. I have 5700 HP and 4151 armor.

I try to six link my Lightning Coil but with 1500 fusing i was unable to upgrade it for the moment...


should i change something? Did i miss something or my stuff is correct and i understood what to target? I'm not an expert on POE and try to go in the right direction with my little amount of currency.. My char table is opened, thx to the futur helpers.