[2.6/3.1] Shaper down on budget 5-link - The Debuffing Pizza (Tri-Curse CI Elementalist Flameblast)

oops double post

Need some advice boyz. Can not decide between Mastermind of Discord and Liedge of Primordial.

Also another question for 6th link which gem would be better 20/20 faster castings or Empower lvl 3?

I can't decide between the faster casting vs empower as well. But the faster casting is so nice, esp mapping, so I think i would use that unless others strongly recommend empower (lvl 3).

Faster Casting only makes you cast the pizza faster, which is unnecessary like OP has said multiple times and with experience, you can always do well timed pizzas.

With empower, your damage increases by a lot. That's why OP also prefers to have his flame golem unliked to CWDT so he can always have that extra 80% damage when he casts his 10 stack pizza because getting pure, big damage is better for a stronger ignite.

This build is like one cast, one kill. The stronger the first hit is, the better.

The exception to this are bosses that are immune to ignite, like phoenix, in which case, yeah, you can use faster casting (by taking Ignite Chance out) and still keep using empower or whatever gem you use if you're using a 6L.

All of what I said, in my experience, is in regards to killing bosses, which is what really matters in the end. For clearing, sure, I guess you can always use faster casting but you already cast 3 stack pizzas so fast that it seems unnecessary, to me at least.

Thanks for your help! @Majad :D

edit: typing on phone is a pain...

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PetuSchokk wrote:

Need some advice boyz. Can not decide between Mastermind of Discord and Liedge of Primordial.

Also another question for 6th link which gem would be better 20/20 faster castings or Empower lvl 3?

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loonger wrote:

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Ren wrote:

Hey. What do you think about this similar tree? http://poeplanner.com/AAMAAVhBQU1EQWdBQWZkLUs2UUpMcmhzbDJWdHRHWmYwVWxNOVg1ZVZUTFBRSC1fclJYNE9YR3I2SXZSc0M1TW43NGo1TjlmUFNiRl94bFpqaHE0VjF5eV83QmhHMTN4TGNZVnlENVJ2OE5WSlVaVXVCeDRkVHk2VWw0VTA5eUd3d2NXLWlxRXZuYTQyeGRna1ZraUZiZFdCSk5pbkt6VzVFVkNFU0Z4cncyMzMxNnlZOFd3MjJFa2JLbzNzVllfNjBOQmZhc3JUdEF6cXVnMThWOGtvLXJpVEhOeVBHdXZ1cHdnRGRaRXJXSGRmQkJwczVDTFZwbVpVaFh2c09CYnpMNTA4QllMSC1laG84bVA5ZXVheFFvdDZBV19pOXlZODk4R1dkTGFHN1NEdFBKbzduOV92ZklLYmFIVGFZaGhXMnJtWXJXdDZ5TDlHVXZ4TWtQcmZiVXlMNzBzPQAIQUFBQUFRQUEAAA==

Are double golems better than 25% firepen from the ascendency?

Double golem is highly preferred. It effectively gives +60% d-dip damage (if you were going to use Flame Golem without it). The final dps will be close to 25% fire pen. Be noticed that "penetration" and "reducing resistance" are DIFFERENT. Penetration only works on the initial hit. It does NOT double dip.

In addition to the DPS boost, double golem gives additional +18% cast speed and grant golems immunity to elemental damage. It's a no-brainer for this build.

The numbers of some nodes look indeed nice on paper. However if you dig deeper into the mechanism you may find better choice. Besides, this build is not lack of DPS whatsoever as it is anyway. The current trees have been thoroughly tested and optimized so no worries. :D

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tszman_tiffany wrote:

I can't decide between the faster casting vs empower as well. But the faster casting is so nice, esp mapping, so I think i would use that unless others strongly recommend empower (lvl 3).

Go for whatever you feel comfortable with for the 6th link if you are not going for the "ultimate 6-link" setup. The original 5-link is already overkill for most cases therefore you might not feel any difference in terms of DPS if you go for Empower/Inc. Burning Dmg in practice.

hello , sorry if the has been already noticed , no faster casting support gem ?

Been doing life version for past week, but getting oneshot a lot. Maybe I am not used to playstyle jet. Now thinking to sell some stuff and respec into this. How about 40% Flameblast damage helm enchant? Is it worth it or not needed?

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Roofz wrote:

Been doing life version for past week, but getting oneshot a lot. Maybe I am not used to playstyle jet. Now thinking to sell some stuff and respec into this. How about 40% Flameblast damage helm enchant? Is it worth it or not needed?

This build is for CI. Life version would be a different story.

The enchant is decent. The build works without any enchant. So any related enchant is a bonus.