[2.4] low life Mjolner supertank done right by Rico

To give some feedback: i have tried the build with a slightly different aura setup on lvl 92 discipline, arctic armour, enfeeble, ele weakness, all 3 purities and grace. (i hope i forgot nothing)

At first i liked it but i somehow feel bothered by watching my life all the time as im used to use movement skills constantly. But this wasnt the biggest issue i think the damage falls a bit short compared to normal life mjolners be it juggernaut or inquisitor mainly because one of the links in the weapon have to be life leech.

An additionl aspect was that it felt a bit cluncky in playstyle i tried the plaza boss on temp chains and vulnerability and it was the hell switched back to life mjolner and facerolled it. Im not saying its a bad build in fact its pretty decent but i have to say its not tankier than a mjolner juggernaut nor does it more damage. Still thumbs up for the build was nice to try out my first low life mjolner.

Here my gear for reference without gem slots as I reslotted alrdy

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zzang wrote:

To give some feedback: i have tried the build with a slightly different aura setup on lvl 92 discipline, arctic armour, enfeeble, ele weakness, all 3 purities and grace. (i hope i forgot nothing)

At first i liked it but i somehow feel bothered by watching my life all the time as im used to use movement skills constantly. But this wasnt the biggest issue i think the damage falls a bit short compared to normal life mjolners be it juggernaut or inquisitor mainly because one of the links in the weapon have to be life leech.

An additionl aspect was that it felt a bit cluncky in playstyle i tried the plaza boss on temp chains and vulnerability and it was the hell switched back to life mjolner and facerolled it. Im not saying its a bad build in fact its pretty decent but i have to say its not tankier than a mjolner juggernaut nor does it more damage. Still thumbs up for the build was nice to try out my first low life mjolner.

Here my gear for reference without gem slots as I reslotted alrdy

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You tried exactly the boss with exactly the mods that gives it the most trouble. Try to tank Palace Dominus or Core Malachai or even Dark Forest Rigwald with this and any life version of your choice. Try to tank Minotaur under the falling rocks. Try Atziri. Than you will learn which one is more tanky.

Vs The Goddes with those kind of mods you need Atziri flask and decent lvl of gear with this build (like 35%+ spell dmg on shield, at leas one 28% spell dmg jevel, chaos resistance on ring or/and shield). Without those you wont outleech her in her chaos degen.

Also I cant see your gems so I dunno if you were using 20/20 Elemental Weakness via 20/20 Blasphemy for 48% enemy elemental reduction, which is critical with this build both for dmg and leeching.

Life version gets the job done with less investment. But this low life version goes waaaay beyond with proper gear lvl. Its overall more tanky and better (except vs The Goddes and vs Mervill) but more expensive and requires lots of min/maxing gear.

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RicoKGB wrote:

You tried exactly the boss with exactly the mods that gives it the most trouble. Try to tank Palace Dominus or Core Malachai or even Dark Forest Rigwald with this and any life version of your choice. Try to tank Minotaur under the falling rocks. Try Atziri. Than you will learn which one is more tanky.

Yes my gems were all 21/20 or 20/20.



Regarding tanking core slams and uber double flameblast... i did this already in 2.3
(prenerfed dmg) with my life build : https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1714478
8.7k (e)HP. Nothing has changed at the build other than a damage loss of approximately 60%. Btw Mintoaurus is the easiest of the 4 for me. Tanking him on the spot aswell as phoenix not dodging his flame explosion with my life build. Rigwald is a joke aswell as atziri.

From my personal testing not just plaza boss I assure you this ES version is not tankier. I just gave you feedback dont take it offensive.

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zzang wrote:

From my personal testing not just plaza boss I assure you this ES version is not tankier. I just gave you feedback dont take it offensive.

Ofcourse. Well if you comparing to almost 9k ehp life MoM version than I have to agree. Hows your dmg in 2.4 compared to this low life version here?

EDIT: You wasnt using Wrath wiht low life version as you're using enfeeble instead. Wrath is yet another very important thing for both leeching and moar dmg with this build. Give it another run with exact aura setup as it is in the guide.

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RicoKGB wrote:

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zzang wrote:

From my personal testing not just plaza boss I assure you this ES version is not tankier. I just gave you feedback dont take it offensive.

Ofcourse. Well if you comparing to almost 9k ehp life MoM version than I have to agree. Hows your dmg in 2.4 compared to this low life version here?

EDIT: You wasnt using Wrath wiht low life version as you're using enfeeble instead. Wrath is yet another very important thing for both leeching and moar dmg with this build. Give it another run with exact aura setup as it is in the guide.

Rico I was using wrath i forgot to mention it my setup was 2X lvl 4 enlighten and 1 lvl 3 enlighten. One of those enlightens were in my corrupted gloves for lvl 5 enlighten. I didnt switch enfeeble for wrath instead i just had one more aura (enfeeble) than you.

The Arc damage unbuffed of my juggernaut in hideout is 4.5k and 3/10 Charges discharge is 20k. From the experience i have while testing the damage from the ES Version was okay but a little less than juggernaut.

Last question: Have you taken all champion ascendancy passives mentioned in the guide?

Sorry for bothering you but I found hard to believe that dmg output felt shorter than 2.4 life jugg. As it is on pair with 2.4 life Berserker.

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RicoKGB wrote:

Last question: Have you taken all champion ascendancy passives mentioned in the guide?

Sorry for bothering you but I found hard to believe that dmg output felt shorter than 2.4 life jugg. As it is on pair with 2.4 life Berserker.

No problem. And yes i took the ascendancies according to the guide. I even respecced later "Inspiration" for "conqueror" as those 35% increased damage hardly did matter on the damage numbers. I wanted to try out taunt mechanics and how it is to take 6% reduced damage when taunted recently.

No idea how you did the calculations but if you check ur offensive stats its already visible pretty much 3.5k arc with charges(<-- 1k less than me unbuffed; no charges) and 10k discharge (<-- half of juggernaut 20k with full charges).

Inspirational is an aura that grants 35% dmg increase and some decent movement speed. But because its an aura it scales via aura effectiveness nodes. And they are total of 62% with this build.

About that tooltip dmg numbers: with Arc you have to account for 48% enemy ele resistance reduction as jugg doesnt use any (yes?). So 3.5k arc * 1.48 = 5.1k vs 0% resistance target.

Same with Discharge.

Now jugg uses fire pen and 3/10 charges for a 20k tooltip however you should check your Discharge tooltip with like 3/6 charges as this is statisticly speaking an average number that jugg will have in a long run: 3/3 are guaranted an theres 25% chance for 3/10.

And this is how it should be calculated in 2.4 as jugg wont have 3/10 all the time while low life RT (or any RT) will have guaranted 4/4 and high chance for 5/5. Ofcourse theres accuracy aka chance to hit on top of that. This is why I dont like crit jugg in 2.4 - its too unconsistent for my taste.

In this low life version theres life leech in Mjolner yes, but theres ele weakness, theres wrath, low life 30% more node, its an RT and has quite a bit of spell dmg increase.

Acording to my calculations and testing (I do have a 3/9 crit life jugg in 2.4 and 4/4 life RT berserker) this low life version is on pair with life RT berserker dmg wise, while both are above 2.4 life crit jugg.

All right time to sleep. Will read any further posts tomorrow, thx for your feedback.

Technically i could switch anytime from enfeeble to ele weakness on my juggernaut when i wish to. But my main focus on my own build was always tankiness therefore im not gonna compete here for dps. Let the paper numbers aside i tried both builds with fairly decent gear as you can see and the LL duelist falls off in damage not by much but it kills bosses slower. I wont go into crit details, if you dont like it its fine dont use it ;). About the APS Im not even sure if the LL duelist reaches those 10 triggers/s with this slow attack speed.

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zzang wrote:

Technically i could switch anytime from enfeeble to ele weakness on my juggernaut when i wish to. But my main focus on my own build was always tankiness therefore im not gonna compete here for dps. Let the paper numbers aside i tried both builds with fairly decent gear as you can see and the LL duelist falls off in damage not by much but it kills bosses slower. I wont go into crit details, if you dont like it its fine dont use it ;). About the APS Im not even sure if the LL duelist reaches those 10 triggers/s with this slow attack speed.

It does. All right once again thx for feedback and discussion.