New char, new lab thread

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Siochan wrote:

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GeorgAnatoly wrote:

Yes it's a bit wonky in some areas but I think it's time even the haters acknowledge it's a great place to get rewards if you're willing to put in the time, get the extra treasure keys, the right enchants etc.

I bet if diablo 2 had the lab it would have been heralded as a triumph in endgame arpg design.

Having to bribe people with big rewards just shows how shitty the content is..

So Atziri and uber Atziri are shitty too because they have good rewards? Which part of this game exactly isn't about getting rewards? You'd be happy if no loot dropped anywhere? The entire game was an Untainted Paradise?

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mark1030 wrote:

So Atziri and uber Atziri are shitty too because they have good rewards? Which part of this game exactly isn't about getting rewards? You'd be happy if no loot dropped anywhere? The entire game was an Untainted Paradise?

Na, the pinacle of game design for those guys was Perandus league where Cadiro was giving you free stuff for zero efforts.

By the way can't wait for this thread to get locked.

Rubberbanding. Something about the lab is weird, i run past traps and i end up where i started. Rarely happens elsewhere unless im killing the whole screen.

Certain chars have it easy there, others not.

The lab has killed diversity. If i wanna play a trapper guess which class i have to take? If i wanna make a summoner, guess "witch" class i have to take.

They nerf skills, buff monsters to compensate for the pts. I stated this in the past, i dropped like 8k dps overnight due to the lab patch. After the points i gain 1000 damage.

They force us to do the worst content ive seen since the legendary rogue dagger quest in wow. That was the all time worst, lab isnt that bad, but it makes the all time list.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

And GGG just recently locked a bunch of lab complaining threads asking them to stop making new threads about the same topic, particularly ones that had nothing new to add and just wanted to complain once again.

And you're bitching because somebody didn't go back and look at the history of the feedback forum in order to post their own damn feedback? lol

The problem isn't the many, many players complaining, it's the shitty reason (the lab) making so many people want to complain.

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Chadwixx wrote:

The lab has killed diversity. If i wanna play a trapper guess which class i have to take? If i wanna make a summoner, guess "witch" class i have to take.

What does that have to do with the lab? Are you saying a trapper has to be a sabeteur and therefore what? Lab is easy for him? Actually none of the issues you listed really have anything to do with the lab. Skills always get rebalanced. Some get nerfed, some get buffed every patch. There were no monster buffs when they added the lab. You're trying to blame the lab for like every problem with the game.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Chadwixx wrote:

The lab has killed diversity. If i wanna play a trapper guess which class i have to take? If i wanna make a summoner, guess "witch" class i have to take.

What does that have to do with the lab? Are you saying a trapper has to be a sabeteur and therefore what? Lab is easy for him? Actually none of the issues you listed really have anything to do with the lab. Skills always get rebalanced. Some get nerfed, some get buffed every patch. There were no monster buffs when they added the lab. You're trying to blame the lab for like every problem with the game.

No, the points you get from doing the lab. I had a srs scion, she was like 87-88, took one look at the witch tree and rerolled. Mainly for the spirit offering, 15% vs 100%? Then the other stuff i get, +1 skill points, yay 5% life, nothing new, nothing exciting.

Oddly enough, i need the patch so i can respec my scion to warcheif totem. My current totem guy isnt as good as a scion.

This is what i meant about it killing diversity. In poe i can get blood magic as a shadow if i want, just gotta put pts into the tree.

The lab locks you in. I cant play my geared templar because he needs points from a different class.

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Siochan wrote:

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

And GGG just recently locked a bunch of lab complaining threads asking them to stop making new threads about the same topic, particularly ones that had nothing new to add and just wanted to complain once again.

And you're bitching because somebody didn't go back and look at the history of the feedback forum in order to post their own damn feedback? lol

The problem isn't the many, many players complaining, it's the shitty reason (the lab) making so many people want to complain.

It used to be that is what you would do. To be fair, GGG should have mega threads devoted to updates like the lab that people can reply with their feedback. Without those present like other forums I have used in the past for other games though, people find that they are free to post the same shit over and over and over in new threads. There is even 2 other threads related to the lab right now on the same page...

I'm not particularly bitching about people complaining about the lab and didn't bother posting in an old thread. I am annoyed though how many lab complainers are unwilling to debate about the lab at all. Most haters have a "my way or get the fuck out of here mentality." especially when they start their thread with no suggestions at all apart from "fix this shit."

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Chadwixx wrote:

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mark1030 wrote:

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Chadwixx wrote:

The lab has killed diversity. If i wanna play a trapper guess which class i have to take? If i wanna make a summoner, guess "witch" class i have to take.

What does that have to do with the lab? Are you saying a trapper has to be a sabeteur and therefore what? Lab is easy for him? Actually none of the issues you listed really have anything to do with the lab. Skills always get rebalanced. Some get nerfed, some get buffed every patch. There were no monster buffs when they added the lab. You're trying to blame the lab for like every problem with the game.

No, the points you get from doing the lab. I had a srs scion, she was like 87-88, took one look at the witch tree and rerolled. Mainly for the spirit offering, 15% vs 100%? Then the other stuff i get, +1 skill points, yay 5% life, nothing new, nothing exciting.

Oddly enough, i need the patch so i can respec my scion to warcheif totem. My current totem guy isnt as good as a scion.

This is what i meant about it killing diversity. In poe i can get blood magic as a shadow if i want, just gotta put pts into the tree.

The lab locks you in. I cant play my geared templar because he needs points from a different class.

From the start, each character start was better at different things. It would be kind of stupid to build a 2h melee witch, but you could pull it off. But clear speed meta would tell you that you are an idiot.

Scion and Witch were about equal for a long time summoner wise, you could go either or. However, now that we have classes, a necromancer witch can go srs, classic summoner, hybrid, etc. Meanwhile scion would be your choice if you want hybrid even more so than witch, and can do an animate weapon summoner a bit better than a necromancer witch I imagine.

I choose to think of diversity as allowing characters to have certain rolls they are best at and then allowing variations of those rolls within that class. You seem to have chosen that diversity means any character can be anything. Neither is particularly wrong, but my idea of diversity matches what GGG seems to have aimed for more than your idea.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

It used to be that is what you would do. To be fair, GGG should have mega threads devoted to updates like the lab that people can reply with their feedback. Without those present like other forums I have used in the past for other games though, people find that they are free to post the same shit over and over and over in new threads. There is even 2 other threads related to the lab right now on the same page...

I'm not particularly bitching about people complaining about the lab and didn't bother posting in an old thread. I am annoyed though how many lab complainers are unwilling to debate about the lab at all. Most haters have a "my way or get the fuck out of here mentality." especially when they start their thread with no suggestions at all apart from "fix this shit."

Just FYI, there are multiple shitty aspects of the lab, not all should be lumped into a single thread. Trap frogger game play, boss being overtuned, some builds do it in <3 min while some take over 10, the energy shield problem, the fact that you have to do it to get full character development, the lab completely ignoring the tree and giving a big FU to the whole make your build how you like to play the game aspect, etc, etc, etc, etc... Tossing all in 1 single thread is a horrible suggestion.

About the "my way" mentality, the lab is shit, I don't enjoy shit, I don't want to support shit. That is a 'my way' mentality as you put it. Should someone wanting to take money not want to hear that? Or just wonder why people are dropping and giving them less money? Is it 'my way', yes it is. But if I was losing money, I'd want to hear people's 'my way' feedback. Besides, when does the feedback forum have qualifications as to what someone's feedback is? This isn't a logical and philosophical forum, you can go elsewhere for that. This is for feedback, opinions, expressions, suggestions, etc.

The lab is shit. Don't have to debate that with you, that's my opinion and feedback ;)

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Siochan wrote:

But if I was losing money, I'd want to hear people's 'my way' feedback.

If they were loosing money because of the lab they would have changed it by now (it's been 6 months). stop using this fake argument.