The Blond Brigade - Melee only events: 3v3, CTF, Tournament?

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Head_Less wrote:

Afhak is wrong about the top notch jewels vs GS.

The total elemental damage 14 legacy GS give is 980% increased.

With top notch 3 damage jewels + life (15fire+10inc damage+10area+life) and a tree specialized into dps +gear(so you get less than 6k life without kaom) it s 500% increased elemental damage more or less.

If the players get a hand on Afhak fire rings (doubt a lot of people can get those anyway XD), he might be able to pull 600-700% increased damage.

a 14 GS legacy users have 280% increased damage over top dps geared elemental users.

It really is not that simple though. You actually lose a lot of things by going GS tree

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lapiz wrote:

It really is not that simple though. You actually lose a lot of things by going GS tree

It is true, I don t say going all dps is how you play a good melee, just wanted to point out that afhak is wrong about elemental damage and how much stronger legacy GS is compared to users having normal jewels.

Even about being tankier, once you get 10 GS (500% elem damage) legacy you are as strong as a good geared elemental user DSP wise.

With markusz build, that s 4 jewel he can use to up is defenses in chaos resist/attack speed/life. (potentially 28% inc life+32% inc attack speed + 48% chaos resistance) / +-12 free points.

My conclusion is that with at least 10 legacy GS in your tree you are stronger/tankier than a regular non GS elemental melee player.

Should legacy GS be used in a format where you try to balance things and limit players ascendancies?

I personally think GS legacy suck for his pvp format.
I have nothing against it when it is free or all rules, but if start to ban shit like normal aegis, leg GS should not be used imo .

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Head_Less wrote:

My conclusion is that with at least 10 legacy GS in your tree you are stronger/tankier than a regular non GS melee player.

10 jewels.. 70% life? So you are basically sacrificing 1/3 of your hp pool to get.. no attack speed and no extra increased damage?

Only way to make the GS somewhat justified is to go for 14-15 of them but at that point you realise you have gimped the build so hard in terms of attack/cast speed and life that you want to go back to normal tree and rare jewels for a more balanced setup.

The sad reality is that for pvp, GS jewels are sort of junk for almost everything else besides energy shield based herald of lightning. When that gets nerfed as it should there wont be much use for those jewels in pvp. For pve they are great because of the burn dipping and no pvp damage scaling.

So I'd say everyone should stop judging the use of 14 GS in an attack build.

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lapiz wrote:

10 jewels.. 70% life? So you are basically sacrificing 1/3 of your hp pool to get.. no attack speed and no extra increased damage?

Only way to make the GS somewhat justified is to go for 14-15 of them but at that point you realise you have gimped the build so hard in terms of attack/cast speed and life that you want to go back to normal tree and rare jewels for a more balanced setup.

The sad reality is that for pvp, GS jewels are sort of junk for almost everything else besides energy shield based herald of lightning. When that gets nerfed as it should there wont be much use those jewels in pvp. For pve they are great because of the burn dipping and no pvp damage scaling.

So I'd say everyone should stop judging the use of 14 GS in an attack build.

Hey you and afhak might be right, I just give my humble opinion on the matter.

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Head_Less wrote:

I just give my humble opinion on the matter.

As did I

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lapiz wrote:

As did I

Well, If markusz-afhak and lapiz tell me GS legacy is not broken in this particular context I must incline to change my mind.

me not saying anything about it anymore.

plexus, the problem with GS attack builds is that, they are doomed to have very low attack speed and you can easily outmicro them. GS only works with something which isn't bound to attack speed or cast speed or laying speed.

5/8/4 attack speed + life jewels, which their price start from 15ex, are the best tooltip dps boosters for attack builds actually. i have 2, and i wont sell them ever for sure.

(note: it might work with EA too, Ccup has one build like that)

Thanks for cleaning it up Lapiz and Rup. I don't know why people care or complain what build I do in the first place, this is an open event, we need players and make matches. If someone really has the intention of playing, they should not be stopped by someone who made some investments, and not even the highest ones.

Yeah not much else to say. I would much rather have rare jewels than GS's for an attack build. Not a big deal that he's using GS's.

I personally hate GS jewels because it promotes cookie-cutter build making instead of diversity and creativity, but I don't think they're remotely OP for what markusz is doing.