"The Ascetic" - a trully disappointing amulet

I could be completely ridiculous with "per items" ( go with 2 rings and one white belt, cap rs on the rest of the gear, it's already GG ), plus the wording is pretty clear honestly.

Somebody cleared the whole game wearing only white items last month, imagine then ....
Being geared from mostly blue items is not that difficult if you do not take a build that needs a specific set of uniques, the Qty value you could get would be crazy if it was per items, even with halved values.

If you think the item sucks you're doing it wrong.

For example, I use it in a swap setup for when I'm farming dried lake.

IE Swap:

for my usual gear on this char:


It also has a lot of potential for Poison arrow characters, especially if already using Hidden Potential. For example, you could use a blue +2 bow gems bow and a white quiver, and acquire the entirety of the bonus.

For a safe situational swap out item this thing is great; as part of a permanent MF build it does take some working but is still quite effective.

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zSavage wrote:

If you think the item sucks you're doing it wrong.

For example, I use it in a swap setup for when I'm farming dried lake.

IE Swap:

for my usual gear on this char:

It also has a lot of potential for Poison arrow characters, especially if already using Hidden Potential. For example, you could use a blue +2 bow gems bow and a white quiver, and acquire the entirety of the bonus.

For a safe situational swap out item this thing is great; as part of a permanent MF build it does take some working but is still quite effective.

Exactly.

The Ascetic is a sick amulet, i'm achieving 167% iiq and 241% iir on Standard thanks to this

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zSavage wrote:

If you think the item sucks you're doing it wrong.

For example, I use it in a swap setup for when I'm farming dried lake.

IE Swap:

for my usual gear on this char:

It also has a lot of potential for Poison arrow characters, especially if already using Hidden Potential. For example, you could use a blue +2 bow gems bow and a white quiver, and acquire the entirety of the bonus.

For a safe situational swap out item this thing is great; as part of a permanent MF build it does take some working but is still quite effective.

missed opportunity right there .. why arent you doing something like :

that being said the ascetic is not a good ammy. 15 iiq on the ammy slot for a blue item is decent. but 90% for a white is not.

this is because we currently have a high value magic find item for every slot in the game.

sadimas for gloves
goldwyrm for boots
perandus blazon for belt
perandus rings or a well rolled ventors for the ring slot
greeds for the chest
etc ..

most of these have pretty huge draw backs that one should counteract with the other free slots and another thing to consider is if you are sacrificing clear speed to make up for having 3 dead slots (ascetic technically counts as 2 -3 dead item slots ) then that might be a bad thing too.

remeber just stacking pure mf is not how you do magic find. you stack enough mf to maintain decent durability and clear speed .

if you can stack 150 iiq and 150 rarity and clear maps in 2 -3 minutes .. you are technically better off than having 165 iiq and 250 rarity but take 4 - 7 minutes per map.


frankly if you just have a 40 rarity ammy with useful stats then you can make up the iir and iiq on other items.

in the end it is little more than a budget minded alternative for the aspiring magic finder. something to hold you over until you get the dosh for a proper kit

Ive been using that ammy and on a caster MF build is amazing and super easy to stack quite a bit of MF without the massive drawbacks of resistances suffering. Right now i run 56%Q 304%R And still maintain pretty respectable damage with BV. You just have t think outside the box to really make the best use of that ammy but make no mistake its actually one of the best MF items aside from Ventors rings and even those have a drawback since they need to be rolled very well to worth it.

Ive been using that ammy and on a caster MF build is amazing and super easy to stack quite a bit of MF without the massive drawbacks of resistances suffering. Right now i run 56%Q 304%R And still maintain pretty respectable damage with BV and most importantly capped resistances. You just have t think outside the box to really make the best use of that ammy but make no mistake its actually one of the best MF items aside from Ventors rings and even those have a drawback since they need to be rolled very well to worth it.

Also as i said before i dont think its gonna be near as good on a melee or attack based build but caster it works very well since you can run a magic wand with 40% spell and then the highest spell roll you can get with alts and maintain very nice DPS while running MF. Or just run a dagger with a spell roll and master APS so you can still run WBs but spells scale on their own so the damage is much easier to get than on an attack based build running something like a magic weapon.

my prophecy league goal complete.

wanted to get a Hinekora's with +curse but that is prohibitively expensive

I value The Ascetic for a simple reason...It doesn't kill any build to swear off your Amulet and Ring slots. It hurts, but not too badly, it's not a huge difference. Taking a good build, removing those three slots, and replacing them with The Ascetic, a Normal Gold Ring, and a Magic Gold Ring instantly gives you some good IIR and IIQ.

It gets worse with something like EQ, because you can run that on a 4L, and then use Item Rarity. If you're on Standard, Item Quantity. And it's EQ, you really don't feel a difference on a 4l if your damage is enough.

It makes SMALL MFing easy in a way that hasn't been before. Making a dedicated MF build is expensive and hard to pull of viably late game, in hard content, and solo. As I play solo, love the end game and the harder maps....This is the only thing making viable MFing easy for me.

Now that I have one, I'm actually making a character just to use it, but planning on Magic Boots, as I'll need one ring slot. It's just going to be a Crit Lightning Arrow Elementalist, full lightning and then Call of the Brotherhood. I figure Magic Boots with Movement Speed, and a Normal Gold Ring, and The Ascetic, plus Windripper and the Rarity Support Gem, should give me quite a bit of IIQ and IIR for, in essence, barely changing from a standard crit LA build. It'll be a little different in the gear, but most of my crit is coming from the tree, not gear, so shouldn't be an issue there....

Generally, my answer to The Ascetic is...Why not?

why not?

well that is easy it makes gearing your character much harder than if you were just messing around with one magic finding item.

For some builds that is pretty easy to get around. builds that use a shield or quiver for example can quite literally get away with a white quiver or shield , that being said if you use a drill neck. going from that to a white item can be around a 30-40% loss in dps.

now we could do what you suggested and roll with a white ring. just keep in mind that you can get a 60% rarity ring rather easily these days. perandus card, aug , regal , master can give you a pretty damn good mf ring with a solid chance of two beneficial mods

so now you look again at the ascetic. that 90 - 100 rarity and a gold ring with 15 mf .. vs a 4 stat ring with 60 mf and a possible 4 -6 stat ammy with 40 - 50 rarity it is about the same rarity either way but now you are out 6ish stats.


this is again why i say it is good for budget minded magic finders. for 1 alch hell yeah its worth it. but once you move up in the mf world .. you actually do use them ring and ammy slots to offset some stuff or you end up offsetting in other places usually in the form of a well rolled goldrim that only has 10% rarity.

another thing to consider is if you want to give up theifs torment . and good lord theifs torment is a fun little ring to use