I hate the lab...but...

Never thought I'd find myself saying this...but the Uber Lab was pretty underwhelming. The only hard part for me was getting the last trial after about a dozen repeats of the other 5 I'd already done.

I've read a lot about builds that make the lab easy...but all I wanted was the final two points for my Lv 97 Pathfinder. Wham, bam and never again I promised myself. So armed with 4 legacy Surgeon's Eternal flasks (which refill my 5400 HP almost instantly due to so many flask mods on tree and gear) and one legacy Surgeon's Quicksilver flask that gives me about 135% movement speed I decided to just speed through.

Here was my strategy - Run like hell, hit life flask after trap damage, kill quick mob to refill flasks if needed (easy with my CoC build), rinse and repeat.

Only slowdown was to let flasks recharge after swapping out my utility flasks (Basalt, Rumis, etc) before the Izaro fights, which were relatively easy for my build, although my single target DPS isn't very good.

Even with waiting to refill flasks, I was done in less than 10 minutes. No real close calls, made it through on my first try. Got a kick ass mod for my Rat's Nest and some great loot with the one key I got from Izaro too. I had not even done a regular Lab run in many weeks either.

So while I've always been one of the lab haters...I think grinding the Uber lab to get more goodies and enchants is totally doable. I still find the traps annoying, boring and a completely stupid concept...but with the right build...they're a breeze. Especially as I hear you can get a chest full of red maps.

May the lab haters forgive me...but I'm going back for more. ^_^

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SasoriOtoko wrote:

May the lab haters forgive me...but I'm going back for more. ^_^

:D

Welcome to the family.

I don't understand why so many people are so against the lab. I will make an exception for ES heavy builds, they do indeed get a very short end of the stick hands down.

But whether you crash through the traps or take your time, I think both are enjoyable as a breakup from the monotonous killkillkillkillkillkillkillkillkill of the game.

Sure I get a bit frustrated when I die to minor crap in the lab, but it takes a few kills to get to that point. I feel like I focus on the challenge as a goal where haters seem to mostly hate that the challenge is there because it isn't a simple dps check.

I don't believe there is any reason for ascendancy to be separated from the labyrinth like it has been suggested plenty of times. No matter how much you despise the addition to the game, 4 or less times through the lab depending on your character's league and status is perfectly justified in my view. Leave the loot farming to people who enjoy the lab then. Sell your keys.

Don't know how people can complain about ES builds when Evasion does absolutely nothing.

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Shagsbeard wrote:

Don't know how people can complain about ES builds when Evasion does absolutely nothing.

Evasion is not a substitute for life or es.

ES does nothing either because it's % based, but I managed to do 40 iz kills as a CI character, it wasn't bad died a few times but mostly because I wasn't paying attention.

I think only hybrid builds can really complain about traps. They nerfed the ES damage taken. Pretty sure the video I watched of one of the fastest lab runners was an ES build.

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

I don't understand why so many people are so against the lab.

Its not "against the lab", we "haters" are ok with the lab staying as it is, we never (except some extreme cases) asked for the removal of the lab, that is kindly put foolish. We are against GGG's decision to force down our throat "optional" content that gate absolutely insane character delevelopment tools, and the gate? absolutely no relation with the core game totally unfiting and out of the blue.

5months in and people still dont give a shit about their fellow players.

Congratulations GGG, your game is full of [Removed by Support], but at least they fall into the whale category so better hold them close.

Young Chris Wilson was full of joy and dreams making a game on the shoulders of ARPG giants like diablo and titan quest, guess somewhere he lost the way and decided to be inspired by frogger and prince of persia, shame... shame..... shame... shame.... (frogger and prince of persia are excellent games dont get me wrong)

As for the OP, only [Removed by Support] will have anything negative to say about your change of heart man, you liked something and you chose to do it again. Nobody can say anything about the way you are having fun, and kudos that you give more tries and liked it even more. Good luck with the farm.

On a serious question though, do you find it insane or stupid or or or.. if there was an alternative ascencion way while also keeping the option in the lab? Thats where everything comes down to, selfish vs selfless.

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Regulator wrote:

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PleiadesBlackstar wrote:

I don't understand why so many people are so against the lab.

Its not "against the lab", we "haters" are ok with the lab staying as it is, we never (except some extreme cases) asked for the removal of the lab, that is kindly put foolish. We are against GGG's decision to force down our throat "optional" content that gate absolutely insane character delevelopment tools, and the gate? absolutely no relation with the core game totally unfiting and out of the blue.

5months in and people still dont give a shit about their fellow players.

Congratulations GGG, your game is full of [Removed by Support], but at least they fall into the whale category so better hold them close.

Young Chris Wilson was full of joy and dreams making a game on the shoulders of ARPG giants like diablo and titan quest, guess somewhere he lost the way and decided to be inspired by frogger and prince of persia, shame... shame..... shame... shame.... (frogger and prince of persia are excellent games dont get me wrong)

As for the OP, only [Removed by Support] will have anything negative to say about your change of heart man, you liked something and you chose to do it again. Nobody can say anything about the way you are having fun, and kudos that you give more tries and liked it even more. Good luck with the farm.

On a serious question though, do you find it insane or stupid or or or.. if there was an alternative ascencion way while also keeping the option in the lab? Thats where everything comes down to, selfish vs selfless.

In regards to your first paragraph. I can understand that I guess and I do have a little bit of a bias from the posts I have seen versus what I haven't. I do however argue on the issue of "forcing optional content down our throats" thing because I see it as yes forced but only a few times so in my view it isn't terrible. I didn't run a lot of lab until this league and before now I was perfectly fine buying a nice enchantment on the right helm rather than do it myself because I felt like farming maps was more worth my time in perandus.

I also feel like the "game we want to play" philosophy GGG had early on takes a fair amount of precedent. If they intended the lab to be something required to obtain this good stuff from its inception, I don't believe complaining that you don't want it gating this stuff is completely fair. It should be balanced so life regen and armour builds are not the end all of lab farming but if they wanted it to be a requirement, it should be. My fear when people complain about things and demand nerfs or buffs in general is that GGG is quietly letting their original vision vanish just to appease a wider player base.

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Regulator wrote:

Thats where everything comes down to, selfish vs selfless.

How is pressuring GGG to change the game to be the way you want it to be not selfish?