Lab is so bad

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Natharias wrote:

The rest of the lab can be difficult, depending on what it is. Argus is a truck that has no reason to be stopped. It's just a level 75 map that can be, and should be, skipped.

Focus on Izaro and Izaro alone. Bypass all other enemies unless it stops you from getting a relic to make the Izaro fight easier.

IDK about all that... out of all 4 Labs Map Lab for sure you SHOULD be doing Argus on every run. Map Lab atleast has a chance to give something decent from those chests so you should be trying to get every key possible.

And the lab isnt that hard. Izaro CAN be VERY fucking hard until you learn how his mechanics work for his different phases. Which took me a bit to learn but once you get those down even he is not that bad. Now if you fuck up in either one of his other 2 phases before the 3rd you could be having a rough day in that last fight especially with all the other shit going on in that room but otherwise its like everything else in this game.. With practice and knowledge its not really that bad once you learn how to make it easy.

Hell at this point im having more issues farming certain trials for keys than i am the lab run itself...
Some of those trails are a bitch if you dont have one of those super high regen builds.

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Historically speaking, it is a 100% certainty that all games die down in popularity over time. Original poster wants us to mark his words that the mass exodus will be caused by labyrinth. But mass exodus over a period of years is nearly guaranteed... so the cause-effect link seems a bit tenuous.

That's true, but don't you think something that is this divisive within the playerbase is likely to accelerate that process? The only thing they have to do is separate Ascendancy from Lab, and guess what? People who like running Lab will. Those who don't won't. Everybody is happy except those narcissistic assholes who get a false feeling of superiority (in a video game) from doing content that other people don't like and trying to rub it in their face. That's the simple truth of the matter.

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Rafein wrote:

Not really a prediction, it's happened to every game that keeps getting developed. They try to bring in new players, so they cater to the lowest common denominator. Then try to add something that requires a small to moderate amount of skill, it causes a backlash, so it, and any challenge whatsoever gets thrown out.

Happened to WoW, happened to Diablo, happened to Call of Duty, Happened to Ultima Onine.

What "skill" is involved in lab? The skill of choosing life regen nodes on the passive tree?

To begin with POE isn't a skill based game, it's a build-based game where you build your character and see how it performs in endgame.

Lab exactly follows this trend, only it is universally hated because it alienates every build that isn't "10%+ life regen per second". Life regen based builds shit on lab and everyone else hates it.

Imagine if D3 had invented a mechanic whereby for some reason only vault-centric DH's could run it effectively and literally every other build and class got shit on, the backlash would be TREMENDOUS. That's pretty much what lab is in POE.

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Albinosaurus wrote:

That's true, but don't you think something that is this divisive within the playerbase is likely to accelerate that process? The only thing they have to do is separate Ascendancy from Lab, and guess what? People who like running Lab will. Those who don't won't. Everybody is happy except those narcissistic assholes who get a false feeling of superiority (in a video game) from doing content that other people don't like and trying to rub it in their face. That's the simple truth of the matter.

TBH there's nothing divisive about lab, everyone unilaterally hates running it and only ever goes there either for enchantments or ascendancy points. Or very occasionally, for treasure box loot or to get chaos for rushing other people through it for THEIR ascendancies. NOBODY does lab because they simply want to do lab unless like you said, they are "narcissistic assholes" doing it for other reasons.

There actually are a few people who like the Lab around these forums and in game that I've talked to. It's just that there are enough people who don't that it should be optional. That's all it really is.

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Natharias wrote:

The rest of the lab can be difficult, depending on what it is. Argus is a truck that has no reason to be stopped. It's just a level 75 map that can be, and should be, skipped.

Focus on Izaro and Izaro alone. Bypass all other enemies unless it stops you from getting a relic to make the Izaro fight easier.

IDK about all that... out of all 4 Labs Map Lab for sure you SHOULD be doing Argus on every run. Map Lab atleast has a chance to give something decent from those chests so you should be trying to get every key possible.

And the lab isnt that hard. Izaro CAN be VERY fucking hard until you learn how his mechanics work for his different phases. Which took me a bit to learn but once you get those down even he is not that bad. Now if you fuck up in either one of his other 2 phases before the 3rd you could be having a rough day in that last fight especially with all the other shit going on in that room but otherwise its like everything else in this game.. With practice and knowledge its not really that bad once you learn how to make it easy.

Hell at this point im having more issues farming certain trials for keys than i am the lab run itself...
Some of those trails are a bitch if you dont have one of those super high regen builds.

Then I must really be missing out on some good loot, cause I never do Argus. Argus actually threatens to kill me with 3 e-charges, fortify, and 5.3k life with pretty insane life recovery. It would take three Izaros to surpass Argus' DPS threat to my build.

I never said Izaro is hard. I said the lab is hard. You should learn to read. I didn't even know most of his mechanics before I tried uber lab, simply because of how easy he is. Embertaming burns him down just as quickly as any other rare, magic mob, or other unique monster. I burn through Izaro faster than I do four or five trash mobs of similar level. The downside to Embertaming is that trash takes up most of your time. I usually swap to Mjolner to clear through that and then use Embertaming for bosses.