Lab is so bad
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Rework it. Make an alternative. Remove Ac points from lab.
GGG do something... pls... (Started Grim Dawn now^^ Quite nice game actually) |
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" Only dead ends between zones. Not dead ends on each individual zone. Of course if you use reddit to roughly know where the next zone is then it's a lot easier but for I would think most people who don't use reddit run into dead ends frequently. Last edited by shaunus#5724 on Jul 15, 2016, 5:02:29 AM
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" It is all part of the conspiracy against me. Once they found out I was trying to keep a list of all the hate labyrinth threads they wanted me to have to work harder on the list. Anyway Sid, if you'd like to pop into some of the hate labyrinth threads that you missed, here's my list.
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My search was no where near exhaustive. Although I was thorough looking through the last three weeks of March and since May 17 when I started compiling this list. The easiest place to find more threads is probably the first week of March and prior. To get a general flavor of the threads, I suggest you at least read through the thread titles. (I tended to ignore threads about just Izaro or enchants and not list those. My theory about Izaro is that he didn't seem to have more than the usual complaints for a new tough boss. I also ignored the very few threads that had a positive OP regarding labyrinth.)
Lab is so bad https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1701380 5 Alternate Ascendancy Methods https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1700863 I know some great optometrists https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/post-reply/1700613 LAB And Predictive Mode https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1699674 A complete lab rework ..... funmode https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697465 An idea to make lab traps less frustrating without making them less difficult https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697758 Plz fix https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697806 GGG pls tell us the release date of the next major patch https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697672 A few suggestions to the labyrinth to make less people hate it. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1697354 It's a labyrinth, not a dungeon... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696202 Lab traps need nerfed https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1695176 uber lab ruined this game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1692762 Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1690630 Labyrinth would be fine if... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1688682 Lab should be really called "Prison" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1689116 My 2c on Lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1687889 Why would GGG introduce content that people HATE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1688902 Put Ascendency points as a reward for defeating Malachai. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686222 The Labyrinth is great content https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1686329 Why the uber lab is a fuck-up https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1683137 The Ascendency Labyrinth - My Conclusions so far and how to solve the Problem! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1681139 Labyrinth is to hard for noobs like me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1666613 Open Letter to Chris Wilson (on making the labyrinth more inclusive) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1664975 I hate the lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1665824 The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600374 Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474 SET FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS (remove AC from lab) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216 [Poll] It's been a month now, how much do you like the labyrinth/acendancy class/enchantments? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251 Labyrinth sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599400 Labrynth = not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599118 Labyrinth an all difficulties? absolute horror, who has time for this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654766 Lab is boring https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654094 Labyrinth makes me want to stop playing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652039 The Labyrinth Reduced *My* Retention https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648622 Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650687 Ascendancy points can be rewarded out of Labyrinth. Lab is forced just to have a build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1647982 Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607115 My wallet will talk https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642689 Im done https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1640022 Let's Talk Compromise https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639840 Quick fix for the labyrinth: Orb of Enchantment https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626083 Labyrinth killed the game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1637861 Ready to say goodbye to an old friend. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1635252 Just When The Game Had Roped Me Back In, I Think I’m Done Again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1631143 Labyrinth is trash https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625607 The Labyrinth as a returning player. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626681 I never want to play the labyrinth ever again. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619098 After thousen of hours and dollars, i now feel like quiting https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623311 The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003 Does anyone actually enjoy Labyrinth? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602524 Petition to get GGG to add Nascar-Style Racing to PoE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1612436 The Labyrinth can imprison you? Are you serious??? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609752 Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842 My solution for Labyrinth - Abandon runs with difficult traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1627246 The Labyrinth is not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623748 To much Diesync in Labyrinth for Predictive End Fight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615082 [POLLS] Traps: What works, what doesn't, how can GGG fix what's broken? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625332 Some improvements for lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623275 The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003 Pure and hybrid ES is basicly screwed in lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618697 Labyrinth and Visibility https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1622033 The Lab's pacing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621396 Improving Traps in the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621394 Suggestion (updated): One of the biggest gripes with the Labyrinth can be solved by... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618436 LAB FKN FAIL https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618978 Sorry, not good enough. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605295 My thoughts on the lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619593 Quitting POE now after the labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599749 Alternate way to Ascend https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602696 The labyrinth's interaction with ES-based builds. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618873 Labryinth Key (Currency) - Unlocks Boss Fight only version https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618533 Labyrinth is Horrible https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604737 The Impossible Lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618302 Challenges... in Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616168 Farewell, my friends! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609642 Please remove 'Restart on death' from Labyrinth. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617190 Cleared labyrinth cruel, got 0 ascendancy points. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616950 My 2 cents https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617410 Traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617417 Died in labyrinth, couldnt flame dash, fake line of sight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616996 Make Lab Optional - some Ideas https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616910 Labyrinth - Fix trap damage to set amounts in normal, rather than % of life / ES https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616743 No state save on disconnect in Labyrinth?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615253 I've made up my mind about the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614981 Why does Lab actually reset zones? That is terrible design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614152 Labyrinth sections reset?! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614138 An idea about Ascendancy and the dreaded Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1613410 Here is why the Labyrinth favours softcore and is a very bad design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610755 Died last night... uber lab trial this time... quitting poe again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696107 As someone who actually doesn't hate the lab, I must say https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1696787 Labyrinth "balance" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1611700 Poe Ascendancy went downhill , patch & GAME is horrible. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610258 Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842 My Problems with the Labyrith https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610210 Labirynth is forcing hardcore on standard players. Why would you do that?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608967 Don't like how the lab is implemented https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608889 GGG Read this: Labyrinth Advice from a Loyal Player https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608502 Labyrinth, forcing HC feelings? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608040 I'll lend my voice... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604534 Do you think playing labyrinths is any fun? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602206 Trial´s & Lab´s trap damage https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607185 Labyrinth forcing hardcore on standard players https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607088 Labyrinth should not be mandatory for ac points https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1606225 The Ascendency Feedback https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604398 Shit ass update https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605268 The Labyrinth is everying I dislike about games in one package. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599347 Labyrinth visibility and switches https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603597 Remove Acendancy Points from Lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603373 Alternate Ascendancy https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603680 Ascendancy is not fun. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602221 Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" I don't use reddit for that - only map inside the lab itself. Dead ends on individual zones you say... I'm quite sure this isn't unique to Lab. Oh wait. It isn't. At all. :P How is it somehow an argument now? I mean, we can sit here all day, complaining about every map not being Ledge, but I'm unsure if anything useful will ever come of this. The problem of Lab changes are: a) People who doesn't like Lab spaming boards with meaningless arguments, and thus making the legitimate ones less bold (like dead ends one), b) Continuous ignorance of people actually liking the Lab, leading to idiotic suggestions like remove the Lab from the game, or the like c) People who deny the existence of players who do not like the Lab, and because of that, their terrible experience with Ascendancy as a whole Lab drama will never end, because GGG is getting mixed signals - some people are simply QQing, while others have legitimate arguments. And the rest simply carry on with the Lab. If you want to ever change anything, speak using one voice, but voice of REASON and not "fuk the lab, hyheheyhyhyh, whyte knoits, hyhyh fuk dem". If you continue on with threads like this, you might as well just pack your bags and leave. Unless this is your kind of fun. :V But again, what I'm even trying to do here - talking reason to people... Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Jul 15, 2016, 6:07:25 AM
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There you go, being the wise mature voice of reason and logic again. This is the Internet after all! Talking about dead ends and having to backtrack, reminds me of an amusing case the other day where I wished that a Gorge Map had been a Catacomb Map or something. I started the Gorge Map and there was Vorici right at the entrance to the Gorge Map. Without thinking about it, I followed my general rule to clear the map before talking to him. This is just to make some of his missions easier. After clearing the map I had to run all the way back to the beginning of the map to talk to Vorici. His mission required me to run all the way to end of the map. Then I had to run all the way back to beginning of the map again to get my mission complete from Vorici. (I know I could have cast a portal to save the last one of those trips but that thought didn't occur to me until I faced my fourth trip through the whole map.) Anyway, at the end I was wishing that I'd just forgotten that there was a Vorici mission in the map. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" There can be quite a significant amount of run time from a dead end. This isn't normal in most maps; the biggest offender in maps is malformation. There's a reason I almost never run malformation ;). Of course there are other maps that are filled with dead ends but I for one never run them. In the zones when leveling there are many little hints as to the direction you have to go in; although in honesty I find leveling quite tiring and can't stand leveling in standard (also the reason why I didn't like prophecy as it felt like leveling in standard). " From your points it sounds like everyone who doesn't like lab is "qqing" and everyone who is defending it has legitimate arguments. Last edited by shaunus#5724 on Jul 15, 2016, 6:50:46 AM
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" I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but I'll give you the benefit of doubt (also, indulge myself a little here), and assume that you are not. Thank you! :DDD " You see, you are already biased by this whole drama, and automatically assume the worst. If you read what I said, you'll notice that I, in fact, see why Lab is problem for some people. And because of that it would make no sense for me to throw all arguments from the one side to the good bag, while throwing the others to the bad bag. There are terrible and good arguments (posts) from both sides. And no, quantity doesn't matter here, because you can't quantify quality of an argument. This is why I think all of these threads serve no purpose, other than people venting out, causing meaningless drama in the process, where nobody ever wins. GGG doesn't have time (nor purpose. My wild guesses would be also: patience, nerves, mood...) in tracking all of those threads, where people throw shit at each other, arguing that their tastes are somehow better than everyone' else, thus giving them the right to shit all over the place. Because this is what it is - bunch of people on two sides, throwing poop at each other. " This does not make them not valid area layouts. Especially in Lab, when often you have to backtrack through traps (adding difficulty, because you can potentially die there). I argued somewhere on the forums (or Reddit...? Dunno), that "hard" map layouts should have their benefits - better mob density, more blue monsters, easier bosses, etc. This would make the hassle of navigating difficult layout worthwhile. But I digres. :V Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance. Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge. Last edited by Perq#4049 on Jul 15, 2016, 7:45:12 AM
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" I was being serious not sarcastic. And there you go being wise and mature again. I will have to remind you again that this is the Internet where such behavior is rare and confusing. Over 430 threads discussing labyrinth problems with over 1040 posters in support (thread # 1702621) Thank you all! GGG will implement a different method for ascension in PoE2. Retired!
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" Indeed it is. I gotta admit that I sometimes wonder how GGG is getting this feedback from forums they are talking about. I mean, there is so much shit and drama you have to read before you get to something meaningful, that person who'd have to get a full list of meaningful things, should be paid full-time. D: Is there really a person who reads this all, and tries to formulate some worthwhile points? D-: Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance.
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