[3.17] The Warchief | [Facebreaker] Ancestral Warchief | Uber Boss Farmer | Beginner -> Expert

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etofok wrote:

guys can somebody explain why facebreaker unarmed when we can just run weapons? I guess it's the cost, but how is the damage in comparison? like facebreaker unarmed = 400dps weapons or smth. thanks!

I just ascended to chieftain am I retarded because I couldve gone zerker instead?

dk a good comparison for weapon/facebreaker

but you can switch your ascendancy by repeccing out of it and than do lab again

Hey, i saw on you Profile that you play without Avatar of Fire. can you explane why?

Edit: okay i was stupid i didnt saw that you are playing Berserker

added a new video

Uber Labyrinth on a 4L lvl 78

Gems: Enduring Cry ->Flame Dash -> NEW AURA

what a new aura?

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Sergi0osstr wrote:

Gems: Enduring Cry ->Flame Dash -> NEW AURA

what a new aura?

this was before i knew which would be a good choice, meanwhile i think flesh and stone is the best option because it offers a huge defense boost in sand stance

I'm playing basically this build + tectonic slam + NO ancestral call. Easiest game of my life so far. And exactly what I wanted initially: a melee skill + totems.

I have one question tho. I play with avatar of fire and another +50% conversion from my ascendancy. I run relevant to fire/elemental supports and auras. My question is wouldn't it be better to run flat phys? Maybe berserker wouldve been a better choice then? Especially since I run tectonic slam as well.

In fact so far I'm mostly playing my tectonic and my 3 warchief are the supports for legion/bosses.

My damages are 17k x 3 for warchiefs and 47k for tectonic - the exact numbers are irrelevant - I'm highlighting the fact that I basically have two 4link skills which both have ~50% damage.

Also, since we (I) get avatar of fire at the top of the tree, we can spend merely 5 nodes and get another curse which is around a +20% dps MORE damage boost (shaper). Ele weakness + Flammability. So we can use the facebreaker's curse and get a curse ring or manually cast another curse.

The only real difficulty I currently have is the mana leech since I have no source of it and all the nodes are really really far away.
I was thinking about blood magic but the loss of sandstance skills (25%+10% mana reserved) + we need herald of purity and herald of ash is also nice, right, so there are many skills we want to have. Not sure about going blood magic. And I've been thinking about a warlord's mark curse on hit ring, but, again, getting warlord's mark is not getting flammability so it's a 20% dps loss for the mana leech.

I also have no room for warcries. Should I get rid of my bloodrage I guess?

Basically I'm having a blast but so many questions


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Here's my PoB if someone's interested: https://pastebin.com/VBnpnbNR

ok so I bring you some numbers

me running tectonic = meh. because you can just swap it onto Cyclone and get +60% more dps

I was thinking about what to 6 link - totems or "main" skill? here you go

6L Cyclone 120k dps
4L Cyclone 56k dps
6L Warchief/Protector = 90k dps
4L Warchief/Protector = 41k dps
6L Warchief/Protector + Multiple Totems = 47k dps
4L Warchief/Protector + Multiple Totems = 21k dps x number of totems

Warchief/Protector also BUFF EACH OTHER for +20% more (e.g. 90k -> 105k dps)

My Great Old One's Ward shield gives me like +40% more dps since I have very little flat phys so far. With GOOD jewels/abyss etc it'll still be providing ~+20% more dps.

This is relevant because if we are to get "+1 totem" shield we lose that flat damage from GOOW that is needed for the melee skill. So obviously if we use the totem shield we shouldn't even run a melee skill to begin with and just run AP + WC.

Should be 6L AP or WC?
"- At level 20 Protector does 133% dmg, and warchief only 122%"
" - Protector has 16 range and Warchief has 10 range"
" - Protector has 20% more attack speed, Warchief has 10% less attack speed."

But WC has its vaal version so I actually don't know.

I think before we take on the shaper and stuff we should run WC 6L for mapping and until the gems are 20/20. Let's assume 6L WC and 4L AP.

Since we use AP mostly for the attack speed buff and on a 4L - we don't want it to replace out our WCs - we DO NOT use multiple totems with AP. You can probably link that AP with some support gems like Blind or smth, I haven't researched into that yet.

All in all we have:
6L Warchief + MT = 47k x 2 = 94k
4L Protector = 40k dps
overall: 120k dps. BUT THEY BUFF EACH OTHER, so 56k x 2 + 48k = 160k dps

+ Ancestral call = +56k = 216k (3 WCs 6L + 1 AP 4L)

+ GOOW = 40-20% depending on your gear progress. The better, the less it gives, relatively speaking.


Right now my gear is non-existent so I can equip GOOW for +40% more damage which would be 216k -> 302k. Later in the game that'd be 260k.

If we are to equip a "+1 totem" shield instead, we now get our 5th totem, which would be the WC, so another +56k to our 216k = 272k.

If I'm to play 6L Cyclone, with the same exact totem nodes I have, still unarmed and support that with a 4L totem I'd get (assuming GOOW + Buff + no AC) 190k dps + AP (21k * GOOW = 29k) x 3 = 190k + 87k = 277k


which is some total freaking bullshit lmao. Given how different these setups are, the numbers are so close it's ridiculous.

however for the cyclone 6L + AP 4L we still have 11 (!) nodes invested into the totems which we barely even use.

So in conclusion: good stuff. This facebreaker playstyle is something I've never encountered before and it's the BEST leveling / mapping I've had in my entire "career". I feel like people who only play with pure 6L WC are missing out on additional dps, and, well some fun.


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However I just tried that and it's still better to run a melee skill because of faster clear speed. Toteming each pack is meh. Also since we play unarmed and if you don't have Ancestral Call your shield slam alone does some half-pack damage already.

Also tectonic while being lower dps kinda still oneshots the entire pack so it's faster

Which gem to/for mapping ?

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BoraTlmao wrote:

Which gem to/for mapping ?

Ancestral Warchief

Any different one ? i mean im already playing it and started uber lab carrys yesterday but sometimes i want waveclear. Fast waveclear.

ps. i cant sustain/reach endurance charges . In all your videos u just press your enduring cry and u get them , and never lose them again. i Spam it and i dont get them and i instantly lose them if im out of fight