The Ascendency Labyrinth - My Conclusions so far and how to solve the Problem!

Or you can just earn the points or pay someone to earn them for you. That sounds good to me. Really tired of this trivial bitching.

Theres already a second option to obtain Ascendancy points for you players, its called paying someone to run it for you. You dont even have to be in the boss room for credit.

The fact that people are still trying to get Ascendancy points removed from the Labyrinth is hilarious. This is proof of modern day gamers being used to playing shit games and having absolutely no respect for good game play, precisely why the game industry is full of garbage copy pasta games.

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sidtherat wrote:

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AceNightfire wrote:

"Why do many people not like the Labyrinth?"

since when vocal minority is 'many'?

Sid, you owe me a new keyboard to replace the one i just spit my coffee into.

Let's be clear:

I have created a lab runner that trivializes merc lab. Made it just for farming helm enchants. Yep just finished testing last night. 3 runs in half-asleep mode. Faceroll. You know it's possible because you have one of your own. So... I HAVE NO PROBLEMS RUNNING LAB.

I also have yet to find a single person in game who thinks the lab is fun. There are some who like to run it for enchants, and to be honest I'm starting to enjoy it just to smash that pompous bastard Izaro in his punk mouth.

But no one I've come across actually likes running the lab, and there are MANY who pay for carries because they feel it's something they have to do. One of my friends in game had a queue of 15 people the other day waiting for him to carry them at 5c a pop.

You keep repeating this "vocal minority" mantra as if it makes your assertion true. It doesn't.

so youve found one person that thinks lab is fun. if uber lab didnt need a kay i wouldnt even touch maping for some time. it is such a brilliant change of pace.

ive been playing this game for years now and currently there are only 2 fun things left for me to do: level a hilariously weak (as in opposite-FOTM) character to maps OR run lab. everything else is one continuous bang/bang/bang/bang/bang/tp/bang/bang/bang/bang.. monotonous, repetitive without any distinct stuff moment i could relate to day later. have you ever tried to talk about your poe gameplay with others? what did you tell them - "i did 30 indistinguishable maps that housed similar 1shot mobs i couldnt even see that dropped stuff i left on the ground"?


people that speak here are min-maxers rat-racers. they wouldnt touch non-gorge map if they had an endless supply of gorges. for them only 'efficient' is fun. everything else is 'garbage'. 'not worth it'. 'non viable'. they race for 'something' - wealth they already have, character that is already too strong, loot that is mostly worthless because currently you do not even need the loot to build a cannon-build. game ate itself - the motors of grind are fallacy now. you do not need to do it any more. yet people - for reason unknown to me - still try to race. anything and everything that 'spoils' the race is 'garbage'. fun is ofc individual. people are free to like what they like. but the 'fun' argument is already cheapen beyond repair - it means 'efficient'. lab is not efficient when one aims at lvl 100.


merc lab was ridiculed because of low level, low loot, low xp. it wasnt for mappers - it had and still has other purpose (and is a perfect Dried Lake alternative). uber lab has all that merc didnt have. but when you set yourself into a 'dislike' state there is no way youll notice when things change.

btw - i dislike leveling masters. it kept me from playing leagues for years now. they are equally against arpg genre (lol argument) and i havent met a single person that likes doing masters (as in - would do them without rewards/progress). yet people do not complain? why? imo - because lab disturbs players 'comfort zone'. players that 'are good' with their right click suddenly have to prove - and they cannot cheat - that they are still good. this hurts when one is exposed unable to complete stuff as trivial as traps.

yep, i do run labs - but i do not have a runner. i can do it on any character because it really is SUPER EASY and there is 95% fighting/movement 5% traps - unlike what anti-lab group says..

and if someone wants to grind - adding lab suddenly made grind impossible? really?

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sidtherat wrote:

so youve found one person that thinks lab is fun. if uber lab didnt need a kay i wouldnt even touch maping for some time. it is such a brilliant change of pace.

ive been playing this game for years now and currently there are only 2 fun things left for me to do: level a hilariously weak (as in opposite-FOTM) character to maps OR run lab. everything else is one continuous bang/bang/bang/bang/bang/tp/bang/bang/bang/bang.. monotonous, repetitive without any distinct stuff moment i could relate to day later. have you ever tried to talk about your poe gameplay with others? what did you tell them - "i did 30 indistinguishable maps that housed similar 1shot mobs i couldnt even see that dropped stuff i left on the ground"?


people that speak here are min-maxers rat-racers. they wouldnt touch non-gorge map if they had an endless supply of gorges. for them only 'efficient' is fun. everything else is 'garbage'. 'not worth it'. 'non viable'. they race for 'something' - wealth they already have, character that is already too strong, loot that is mostly worthless because currently you do not even need the loot to build a cannon-build. game ate itself - the motors of grind are fallacy now. you do not need to do it any more. yet people - for reason unknown to me - still try to race. anything and everything that 'spoils' the race is 'garbage'. fun is ofc individual. people are free to like what they like. but the 'fun' argument is already cheapen beyond repair - it means 'efficient'. lab is not efficient when one aims at lvl 100.


merc lab was ridiculed because of low level, low loot, low xp. it wasnt for mappers - it had and still has other purpose (and is a perfect Dried Lake alternative). uber lab has all that merc didnt have. but when you set yourself into a 'dislike' state there is no way youll notice when things change.

btw - i dislike leveling masters. it kept me from playing leagues for years now. they are equally against arpg genre (lol argument) and i havent met a single person that likes doing masters (as in - would do them without rewards/progress). yet people do not complain? why? imo - because lab disturbs players 'comfort zone'. players that 'are good' with their right click suddenly have to prove - and they cannot cheat - that they are still good. this hurts when one is exposed unable to complete stuff as trivial as traps.

yep, i do run labs - but i do not have a runner. i can do it on any character because it really is SUPER EASY and there is 95% fighting/movement 5% traps - unlike what anti-lab group says..

and if someone wants to grind - adding lab suddenly made grind impossible? really?

A major reason why people dont complain about masters is because they know that they give you something useful too, you want them because early in the league and even mid league they can offer you useful things. Labyrinth gives plenty of useful things including ascendancy points.

This is why i bring up the master comparison as well because i hate doing them, but leveling the to like 6 is easy and you can do that with barely paying any mind to them.

Another reason why is because we know we can simply ask a friend or pay for a service for the things we dont need for the convenience of not bothering with it yourself. Its no different from the Labyrinth and its honestly astonishing that people are still trying to get Ascendancy points removed from the Labyrinth when they know these facts.

I mean for fuck sakes, you dont even have to be in the boss room for credit, thats as free as it gets when you dont even have to see the boss to get your points.

Sid you're being a bit disingenuous. Lab is not SUPER EASY. You have to build with it in mind at least a little, OR your build style has to be conducive to running lab.

My favorite character is a plodding-slow summoner that uses bones of ullr and flesh offering as her only means of boosting speed. NO FLASKS because Umbilicus Immortalis. You want to know what your "Super easy" lab thinks of that character (that facerolls T11 maps)? It shits all over it. That's right, because I'm not focused on movespeed AT ALL, I get shit on by the lab. Can't run away from izaro fast enough, can't run through trap zones fast enough... just not. fast. enough. Yes I can swap out my umbilicus for meginord's girdle, and put some high movespeed boots on, but WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO if it is, as you say, "Super Easy"?

I know i can run lab... I have a tuned-toon. He's fast as shit. I kill Izaro no problem. I avoid most traps because i run through them so fast as to take no damage, or just blink-arrow over them.

The problem isn't my build, it's the lab. It actually encourages the uber-clear-speed meta that everyone is bitching about.

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SeedReaper wrote:

Sid you're being a bit disingenuous. Lab is not SUPER EASY. You have to build with it in mind at least a little, OR your build style has to be conducive to running lab.

My favorite character is a plodding-slow summoner that uses bones of ullr and flesh offering as her only means of boosting speed. NO FLASKS because Umbilicus Immortalis. You want to know what your "Super easy" lab thinks of that character (that facerolls T11 maps)? It shits all over it. That's right, because I'm not focused on movespeed AT ALL, I get shit on by the lab. Can't run away from izaro fast enough, can't run through trap zones fast enough... just not. fast. enough. Yes I can swap out my umbilicus for meginord's girdle, and put some high movespeed boots on, but WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO if it is, as you say, "Super Easy"?

I know i can run lab... I have a tuned-toon. He's fast as shit. I kill Izaro no problem. I avoid most traps because i run through them so fast as to take no damage, or just blink-arrow over them.

The problem isn't my build, it's the lab. It actually encourages the uber-clear-speed meta that everyone is bitching about.

This post is hilariously contradicting.

It would seem so, TFH, if it weren't for the fact that the main difference in survivability between those two characters is simply:

SPEED.

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AceNightfire wrote:

Hello everyone,

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Here are the links to the other 2 threads:

https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474/page/1
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216/page/1

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A minor clarification, there have been way more than 2 threads about the Labyrinth. It is probably well over 40, my search was no where near exhaustive, but I found these 33. EDIT: I looked in the last three weeks of March and found 55 more for a total of 88. To get a general flavor, I suggest you at least read through the thread titles. (I tended to ignore threads about just Izaro or non-trap related complaints and not list those.)

The Ascendency Labyrinth - My Conclusions so far and how to solve the Problem! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1681139

Labyrinth is to hard for noobs like me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1666613

Open Letter to Chris Wilson (on making the labyrinth more inclusive) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1664975

I hate the lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1665824

The labyrinth is both boring and frustrating https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1600374

Labyrinth,the worst content ever made in POE? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602474

SET FREE ASCENDANCY POINTS (remove AC from lab) https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609216

[Poll] It's been a month now, how much do you like the labyrinth/acendancy class/enchantments? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639251

Labyrinth sucks https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599400

Labrynth = not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599118

Labyrinth an all difficulties? absolute horror, who has time for this? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654766

Lab is boring https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1654094

Labyrinth makes me want to stop playing. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1652039

The Labyrinth Reduced *My* Retention https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1648622

Labyrinth has killed any motivation to make new characters for me. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1650687

Ascendancy points can be rewarded out of Labyrinth. Lab is forced just to have a build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1647982

Quitting PoE after years due to Labyrinth System https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607115

My wallet will talk https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1642689

Im done https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1640022

Let's Talk Compromise https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1639840

Quick fix for the labyrinth: Orb of Enchantment https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626083

Labyrinth killed the game for me https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1637861

Ready to say goodbye to an old friend. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1635252

Just When The Game Had Roped Me Back In, I Think I’m Done Again https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1631143

Labyrinth is trash https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625607

The Labyrinth as a returning player. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1626681

I never want to play the labyrinth ever again. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619098

After thousen of hours and dollars, i now feel like quiting https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623311

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Does anyone actually enjoy Labyrinth? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602524

Petition to get GGG to add Nascar-Style Racing to PoE https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1612436

The Labyrinth can imprison you? Are you serious??? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609752

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

EDIT:
My solution for Labyrinth - Abandon runs with difficult traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1627246

The Labyrinth is not fun https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623748

To much Diesync in Labyrinth for Predictive End Fight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615082

[POLLS] Traps: What works, what doesn't, how can GGG fix what's broken? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1625332

Some improvements for lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1623275

The lab was the final nail https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621003

Pure and hybrid ES is basicly screwed in lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618697

Labyrinth and Visibility https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1622033

The Lab's pacing https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621396

Improving Traps in the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1621394

Suggestion (updated): One of the biggest gripes with the Labyrinth can be solved by... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618436

LAB FKN FAIL https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618978

Sorry, not good enough. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605295

My thoughts on the lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1619593

Quitting POE now after the labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599749

Alternate way to Ascend https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602696

The labyrinth's interaction with ES-based builds. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618873

Labryinth Key (Currency) - Unlocks Boss Fight only version https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618533

Labyrinth is Horrible https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604737

The Impossible Lab. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1618302

Challenges... in Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616168

Farewell, my friends! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609642

Please remove 'Restart on death' from Labyrinth. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617190

Cleared labyrinth cruel, got 0 ascendancy points. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616950

My 2 cents https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617410

Traps https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617417

Died in labyrinth, couldnt flame dash, fake line of sight https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616996

Make Lab Optional - some Ideas https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616910

Labyrinth - Fix trap damage to set amounts in normal, rather than % of life / ES https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1616743

No state save on disconnect in Labyrinth?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1615253

I've made up my mind about the Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614981

Why does Lab actually reset zones? That is terrible design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614152

Labyrinth sections reset?! https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1614138

An idea about Ascendancy and the dreaded Labyrinth https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1613410

Here is why the Labyrinth favours softcore and is a very bad design. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610755

Labyrinth "balance" https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1611700

Poe Ascendancy went downhill , patch & GAME is horrible. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610258

Labyrinth = Worst addon ever https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1609842

My Problems with the Labyrith https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1610210

Labirynth is forcing hardcore on standard players. Why would you do that?? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608967

Don't like how the lab is implemented https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608889

GGG Read this: Labyrinth Advice from a Loyal Player https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608502

Labyrinth, forcing HC feelings? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1608040

I'll lend my voice... https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604534

Do you think playing labyrinths is any fun? https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602206

Trial´s & Lab´s trap damage https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607185

Labyrinth forcing hardcore on standard players https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1607088

Labyrinth should not be mandatory for ac points https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1606225

The Ascendency Feedback https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1604398

Shit ass update https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1605268

The Labyrinth is everying I dislike about games in one package. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1599347

Labyrinth visibility and switches https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603597

Remove Acendancy Points from Lab https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603373

Alternate Ascendancy https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1603680

Ascendancy is not fun. https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1602221

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Or you can just earn the points or pay someone to earn them for you. That sounds good to me. Really tired of this trivial bitching.

Theres already a second option to obtain Ascendancy points for you players, its called paying someone to run it for you. You dont even have to be in the boss room for credit.

The fact that people are still trying to get Ascendancy points removed from the Labyrinth is hilarious. This is proof of modern day gamers being used to playing shit games and having absolutely no respect for good game play, precisely why the game industry is full of garbage copy pasta games.

There is no second option, as the boss is not a fucking problem, the dumb traps are, and you need to do em every fucking time.

Good to know that you think POE before lab was shit. I dont think that, but I do think that because of the lab the game is getting worse as GGG doesnt know how to make their game any more interesting so they are copying bullshit mechanics form fucking platformer games. I can only think what type of crap they will copy from some other games next. I have a feeling some card games can be next as we already have divination cards.

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miljan wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Or you can just earn the points or pay someone to earn them for you. That sounds good to me. Really tired of this trivial bitching.

Theres already a second option to obtain Ascendancy points for you players, its called paying someone to run it for you. You dont even have to be in the boss room for credit.

The fact that people are still trying to get Ascendancy points removed from the Labyrinth is hilarious. This is proof of modern day gamers being used to playing shit games and having absolutely no respect for good game play, precisely why the game industry is full of garbage copy pasta games.

There is no second option, as the boss is not a fucking problem, the dumb traps are, and you need to do em every fucking time.

Good to know that you think POE before lab was shit. I dont think that, but I do think that because of the lab the game is getting worse as GGG doesnt know how to make their game any more interesting so they are copying bullshit mechanics form fucking platformer games. I can only think what type of crap they will copy from some other games next. I have a feeling some card games can be next as we already have divination cards.

What part of my statement said "POE before the labyrinth is shit" ?

If youre dying to traps [Removed by Support] how about bettering yourself as an individual and improving your skills ?

Oh wait youre going to respond with "Traps dont require skill you just run through them" like everyone else which makes your statement that "Traps are a problem" completely irrelevant. If traps require no skill and you just run through them then how do you die ?

Nice perpetually paradoxical arguing you "labyrinth haters" keep using.