Mechanical Questions Thread

Hello!

Seems like a great place to ask my question :)

So I've scoured the wiki and can't seem to figure this out, it is in regards to crit chance.

How do I calculate my crit chance when:

1) Hideout character sheet says main hand critical strike chance is 36.76% (ice golem not up)
2) 20/20 Increased Crit Strike Chance Gem is linked with my skill (removing or adding this gem to my 6L does not alter the 36.76% figure, so I assume it is not being accounted for in the main hand figure
3) The addition of 4 power charges
4) Enemies being cursed with 20/20 Assassin's Mark
5) Diamond Flask up
6) 20/20 Ice Golem up

Some additional info that is probably already accounted for in the figures above, but I thought I would add it for visibility:

1) My equipped gear has 60% total increased global crit strike chance
2) Weapon crit chance is 8.45%
3) POE builder says I have 275% increased crit strike chance

I am using Abyssus so want to ensure I am getting the most out of my crit multi by maximizing crit chance but I don't know if I'm going overboard?

Thank you!

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Euploid wrote:

I know why it works this way, I just want to confirm that it still works this way since 2.6 and isn't bugged or something like that. The tooltip used to show your damage dropping when you activated blood rage, but it doesn't anymore.

Ah, never saw anything related in patch notes and after checking the whole thing it seems your tooltip isn't lowering even if your net result is negative. It's kinda funny, you obviously aren't on full life but your dps stays the same, so yeah, bugged tooltip is my best guess.

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mixer1114 wrote:

1) Let's say, you fire a single tornado shot (no lmp or gmp). And you shoot right into the target's model. Will you deal damage 4 times that way? I mean one comes from your primary arror, and then 3 secondary arrow's start to travel and connect with your target (caz they there way inside the target).
May be secondary arrows start not in the center of tornado animation wich makes it impossible to hit single target with them? This way it may still work with big enemies with fat bodies.
2) If you fire a tornado shot with lmp or gmp, can you hit one target with multipale primary arrows if it's close enough to you?

1. No, only one of the arrows released at the same time from the same origin point can hit, that's the global 'no shotgunning' rule. So, you can hit with the primary arrow and one secondary arrow at most.
2. The same, primary arrows are all released at once so only one will hit. However, when secondary arrow volleys are released each can hit again, so you can get four hits with LMP TS once from the primary volley and once for each secondary volley (assuming you're lucky enough).

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Hamdrew wrote:

Hello!

Seems like a great place to ask my question :)

So I've scoured the wiki and can't seem to figure this out, it is in regards to crit chance.

How do I calculate my crit chance when:

1) Hideout character sheet says main hand critical strike chance is 36.76% (ice golem not up)
2) 20/20 Increased Crit Strike Chance Gem is linked with my skill (removing or adding this gem to my 6L does not alter the 36.76% figure, so I assume it is not being accounted for in the main hand figure
3) The addition of 4 power charges
4) Enemies being cursed with 20/20 Assassin's Mark
5) Diamond Flask up
6) 20/20 Ice Golem up

Some additional info that is probably already accounted for in the figures above, but I thought I would add it for visibility:

1) My equipped gear has 60% total increased global crit strike chance
2) Weapon crit chance is 8.45%
3) POE builder says I have 275% increased crit strike chance

I am using Abyssus so want to ensure I am getting the most out of my crit multi by maximizing crit chance but I don't know if I'm going overboard?

Thank you!

1. Add the base crit bonus from inc crit strikes support to the base of your weapon or spell, that's 10,35% for you.
2. Apply all 'increased crit chance' bonuses to the number, including 200% from 4 power charges, so if the total number is 475% you multiply the base with 5,75, that's 59,5% (capped at 95%).
3. Add the percentage from assassin's mark to the result, so 59,5 + 9 = 68,5% (can push it over the cap to 100%)
4. Multiply with your chance to hit because of confirmation roll to get the actual crit chance when you hit something with an attack (tooltip won't show this).
5. Calculate the final crit chance when diamond flask is up by simulating a double roll that keeps the higher value.

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Hamdrew wrote:

So I've scoured the wiki and can't seem to figure this out, it is in regards to crit chance.

Did you find https://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Critical_strike#Critical_strike_chance?

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1) Hideout character sheet says main hand critical strike chance is 36.76% (ice golem not up)
2) 20/20 Increased Crit Strike Chance Gem is linked with my skill (removing or adding this gem to my 6L does not alter the 36.76% figure, so I assume it is not being accounted for in the main hand figure

Looks like you're looking in a slightly wrong place. When you press C and look at the Offence tab, by default, it shows you the Default Attack's offensive stats. In between the tabbed sections and your basic stats up above, it there is a ribbon of Skill icons. Click the Skill icon that corresponds to your 6L and it will show you a critical strike chance higher than 36.76% when you remove or add the Increased Critical Strikes Support gem.

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3) The addition of 4 power charges
4) Enemies being cursed with 20/20 Assassin's Mark
5) Diamond Flask up
6) 20/20 Ice Golem up

Some additional info that is probably already accounted for in the figures above, but I thought I would add it for visibility:

1) My equipped gear has 60% total increased global crit strike chance
2) Weapon crit chance is 8.45%
3) POE builder says I have 275% increased crit strike chance

Presuming you have no other sources of +x% critical strike chance (the main ones I can think of are Assassin ascendancy and an Essence craft for, I believe, gloves), we can verify the figure you see. 8.45% * (1 + 0.6 + 2.75) should equal 36.76%... and it does! The magic of math.

2, 3, and 6 will be reflected in your tooltip as you have them active, assuming of course that you have the character sheet showing the correct Skill :) but since I like doing math, we can calculate that for you as well.

ICSS 20/20 grants +1.9% flat and 108% increased. Power Charges grant 50% increased each. Ice Golem 20 grants 30% increased. Therefore, your tooltip when "fully charged" should show: (8.45 + 1.9) * (1 + 0.6 + 2.75 + 1.08 + 4*0.5 + 0.3) = 80.0055, or 80.01% (Maybe 80.00%, as POE is known to round down).

20/20 Assassin's Mark is tricky, because enemies have varying levels of anti-Curse measures. Assuming 100% curse effectiveness, you simply add 9% to this chance, for 89% crit chance. Map Bosses have native 60% less curse effectiveness on them, so 0.4 * 9 = 3.6 -> 3% additional crit chance on them for 83% crit chance. Then of course it does nothing against Curse Immune and Hexproof enemies, unless you have Cospri's Will, in which case you can ignore Hexproof. Calculation of Hexwarded follows similarly to the boss effect thing, and stacks multiplicatively with that.

Diamond Flask is kinda complicated mathematically. Taking the better of two rolls means that you have to take chance of success to chance of failure, square it, then turn it back into chance of success. Assuming you fight a Curse Immune monster, it would look like this:

1-(1-0.8)^2 = 0.96, or 96% "effective crit chance"

Assuming you fight a non-Unique non-Hexwarded monster, it would look like this:

1-(1-0.89)^2 = 0.9879, or 98.79% "effective crit chance"

EDIT: raics reminded me of a good point. Everything I wrote up above is assuming 100% accuracy. Critical Strikes go through a "threat confirm" mechanic that essentially "double dips" on your accuracy. Specifically, in addition to passing the crit chance test, you must roll chance to Hit a second time in order to actually crit. If you fail the second chance to Hit you just do a normal Hit, no crit. This is easy to math out; you take your chance to hit and square it, and multiply that by your crit chance:

85% chance to hit => (0.85)^2 * 0.9879 = 71.38% Chance to {Crit, Given Only that you have Attempted a Hit}

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raics wrote:

1. No, only one of the arrows released at the same time from the same origin point can hit, that's the global 'no shotgunning' rule. So, you can hit with the primary arrow and one secondary arrow at most.
2. The same, primary arrows are all released at once so only one will hit. However, when secondary arrow volleys are released each can hit again, so you can get four hits with LMP TS once from the primary volley and once for each secondary volley (assuming you're lucky enough).

Thanks for answer, now it's clear for me.

Hi mark

Does hex master affect blasphemy's radius? Gem's description says blasphemy it's a curse, but not an AoE gem, despite of blasphemy can be linked with an AoE gem.

Hey guys, I have some questions about physical damage converted to elemental damages:

1. If I use Ice shot which converts 60% phys dmg to cold while wearing a Xoph's Nurture bow which converts 50% phys dmg to fire, will I deal zero physical damage?
2. Using the above example, what will happen if I have the passives Weapon Cold Damage + Winter Spirit which convert 40% of my total phys dmg to cold? Half of my phys damage will be cold and the other half would be fire?
3. How does these convertions afect the Hatred aura? Since the aura itselfs works based on a percentage of physical damage, is it worth to use it on an elemental bow build? Will I get more returns on a physical bow build with more %to phys damage or it doesn't matter?

How do I calculate Damage?

As simple as that. This game is so dense, I could use a clear, solid guide for understanding damage. A lot of people seem to be arguing about this topic, and claims to fame have been made.. 10 millions dps, so on. Yet when you play the game.. most builds feel quite nerfed and underpowered. I would like to understand how much actual, REAL damage I need to do end game content. Roughly. And how to calculate that. Roughly [because obviously there is a bit of chance / randomness].

So basically:

how many types of damage there are?
what can convert to what?
how many types of tooltip approximations there are?
what each means [like what is 'per use', what is average, or a 'stack', so on]?
what does and what doesn't get included in the tooltip [like crit, charges, etc]?
how do we calculate each type of damage? like DoT for example.
how does this damage get additions and multiplications from the skill tree?
how do monster resistances affect different types of damage?

Along the same line.. it would be good to have a good, clear, simple, comprehensive guide for understanding Defenses.

Cheers!
Monkey

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Hey, I have two questions about stun.

How does stun recovery affect how long I'm stunned for? The wiki says the formula for stun duration is 350X(attackers stun duration-defenders stun recovery), but I've seen some people say that it's 350X(100/(100+stun recovery)).

If I get stunned in the middle of using a skill, do I still lose mana?

Molten Shell Absorbed Damage are include damage that migitate by MoM?

Ancestral Warchief totems are either bugged or GGG just intentionally forgot to add passive AoE to this skill.

Here is screenshot of range (or lack of it) - https://puu.sh/v5nGB.jpg

- 20lvl / 20q aoe gem
- templar aoe circle

Without AoE gem, range change is not even noticeable.

With same setup in 2.5 i was able to hit twice as that range.

I wrote mail to support, got moved here (https://puu.sh/v5o43.png).