[2.6] The Curse Whisperer - Tri-Curse CI Whispering Ice Elementalist - Viable for Everything

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Maestery wrote:

so after few weeks trading,crafting and working i bought finally those items whit really good deal >( what to u think guys are they good >D for this build? Gloves are probably going into mirror service :D 5 t1 and 1 t2 rolls.

The chest is good, but the top ones are far better. The gloves, boots and belt are worth more for a HOWA build that for this one though. No ms on boots hurts, we don't have Whirling Blades. Nice ES on the gloves, but a 2nd res mod would be better. The belt is awesome.

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Kelvynn wrote:

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ichbinwerichbi wrote:

but all of them (8 ex and 300 chaos) is gone by trying to do a 850 plus chest by myself. The same with boots and gloves. Its really anoying to get enought spite essences and the crafting of the chest was the most frustrating thing.

Trying to craft chest/boots/gloves with Spite is a mistake. Don't do it.

We craft the belt because it's the only way to get Int on a belt, and belts have very few possible mods. For a Life-based version of the build in 3.0, crafting an Astral Plate with Spite will be an option (but not the only one anyway). But ES chests, boots and gloves - don't even bother. The chance of rolling something good is way too low.

You can try chaos-spamming those items. It can be expensive, but you can also often sell decent rolls that are good enough for other ES-based builds. It's definitely better than trying to craft them with essences.

oh thanks a lot. I saw on reddit some good results who they wrote its better with spite since otherwise you dont get 57 int.
With the belt i should ask earlier :-( i wasted a lot of chaos on a lcl 84 crystal since i realised that there is no way to get int on a belt with chaos.

Firstly, I would really like to thank the OP for such an excellent guide.

I play on and off and never really understood how to build a character. Also being used to playing D2 HC /p8 I prefer the SSF play style.

So when I found the staff with my lvl92 CwC/Whither elementalist who hit a wall and t13/t14 maps and came across this guide and wanted to give it a shot.

Like a noob I somehow missed the "6L not needed part" and and went ahead and spent 729 fuses to 6L it with my last fuze only to realize that it was completely unnecessary. I will net get into how I had a great laugh at my stupidity. Atleast I got the achievement of 6Ling an item :-)

I still am short of some mandatory items like Bruteforce Solution Jewels, Izaro's jewels and Astramentis. I was offered the amulet by Cardio once for 36xx when I had 3400 coins. I literally cried.

I am now lvl 87 and am able to do T12 without any problems. Apart from an occasional death in a "vulnerability" "Extra Cold Damage mods" "Volatile" map, I feel I should be able to do upto t14.

I am currently at a stage where I feel I need those missing jewels and amulets to play deathless and go beyond T14 as my current ES pool of 6500 feels a but sketchy if I am not careful. Even though I have BlackSuns Crest, I am still using Doedres as I am still under the 1200Int mark. I think I need the Bruteforce jewels to get past the mark to make Black Sun's more efficient compared to doedres.

Even though I have a 90+ char, I never played an CI char and didnt understand a lot of game mechanics and skill tree nodes such as Unwavering stance and their importance till I played this. I learned a lot more about the Passive Tree by playing this character in the last 10 days or so compered to all my POE playtime.

Any suggestions on where and how I can get the BF Jewels and Astramentis. I have allmy masters at 8 so do/abaondon daily questes to check if they pop up. Tried my luck at library for the polymath but no luck so far. I just Hope I can find the remaining gear and finish atlas and shaper before the league ends.

One noob question though: Whats the logic behind CWDT triggering CoH when CWDT is at such a low level? More so when you insist that they be on a 5 link when a 2L(CWDT+BL) + 3L(CoH+Enfeeble+TC) should work just as well ?

Once again thats a lot for such an excellent Guide.

RIP This build in 3.0 :(

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BlazeSTX wrote:

RIP This build in 3.0 :(

True but so what. We have time till the league ends to enjoy it. You dont stop living just because you are going to die one day.

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BlazeSTX wrote:

RIP This build in 3.0 :(

Not really. Life/MoM is already T16 viable even in 2.6, and Life is getting a buff in 3.0. We'll know more details soon enough.

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spacenoxx wrote:

Any suggestions on where and how I can get the BF Jewels and Astramentis. I have allmy masters at 8 so do/abaondon daily questes to check if they pop up. Tried my luck at library for the polymath but no luck so far. I just Hope I can find the remaining gear and finish atlas and shaper before the league ends.

In my experience, the fastest way to obtain Astramentis is to simply farm enough currency and buy it. I'm not an expert in currency farming, but I have been able to buy Astra within 2-3 days in each of the previous 5 leagues. Farming Lab with max keys, mapping in high tiers with mods and IR and selling extra maps, or simply chaining Dried Lake instances with IR for the Chaos recipe - are some of the simple and fast ways to do it.

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One noob question though: Whats the logic behind CWDT triggering CoH when CWDT is at such a low level? More so when you insist that they be on a 5 link when a 2L(CWDT+BL) + 3L(CoH+Enfeeble+TC) should work just as well ?

CWDT triggers BL. It's important to use CWDT lv 1 so that it triggers a lot. Therefore BL should be lv 4 or lower to be triggered by CWDT lv 1.

Once BL fires, the second part of the link is activated: BL - CoH - curses. CoH attaches the curses to BL regardless of the level, so we can use the best ones (20/20).

The 5-link cannot be split into 2L and 3L. Both links contain the same BL gem.

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Kelvynn wrote:

The 5-link cannot be split into 2L and 3L. Both links contain the same BL gem.

Ah..I though CoH works for any hit (Scorching Ray, Icestorm), not just the linked skill. Makes sense now. So since CoH is dependent on BL and not the linked CWDT, you can theoretically just use a 4L and manually cast BL to trigger the CoH..right?

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spacenoxx wrote:

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Kelvynn wrote:

The 5-link cannot be split into 2L and 3L. Both links contain the same BL gem.

Ah..I though CoH works for any hit (Scorching Ray, Icestorm), not just the linked skill. Makes sense now. So since CoH is dependent on BL and not the linked CWDT, you can theoretically just use a 4L and manually cast BL to trigger the CoH..right?

Yes. But that's way too much manual labor, and in some situation you don't have time to cast it manually.

No access to beta yet, sadly, but from the main changes I've seen so far (like, 4 changes :P), Vaal Pact changed from "Life Leech applies instantly" to "Life gained from Leech applies instantly", which means that it doesn't work with Ghost Reaver anymore, since it applies Life Leech to ES, not Life to ES.

They also removed the three nodes behind CI, adding the ES nerf it is effectively not viable anymore, at least for this build.

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Levirael wrote:

No access to beta yet, sadly, but from the main changes I've seen so far (like, 4 changes :P), Vaal Pact changed from "Life Leech applies instantly" to "Life gained from Leech applies instantly", which means that it doesn't work with Ghost Reaver anymore, since it applies Life Leech to ES, not Life to ES.

They also removed the three nodes behind CI, adding the ES nerf it is effectively not viable anymore, at least for this build.

CI or lowlife will not be viable anymore for any build that relies/relied on leech to stay alive. the substantial nerfs to the actual ES numbers are just the final nail in the coffin. WI will still work as a life-based build, but imho it wont be nearly as awesome or powerful as it used to be. :(