How to fix clear speed meta ?

Reduce all cast and attack speed by 25%.
Reduce DoT by 25% but increase duration by 25%.
Add diminishing returns to movement speed bonuses.
Reduce pack size by 25% but increase health and xp reward by 25%.

There. That should cover everything. Slow game is slow.

Bonus: Add more "look before engaging or die" mob modifiers.
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restinpieces0815 wrote:
How do we fix slow as fuck gameplay meta?

Every char starts with 50% Movement speed!

The "A" in ARPG stands for "action" not for "asleep"


Action is coming from killing monsters and getting rewards not just running through content (WB meta)

Pyrokar

How?
I would also make magic/rare/uniq bosses tougher (it should take more time to kill them) but they should be also more rewarding (in exp, items, maps)
So you can still speed map and skip them but without rewards.

Mythabril

That´s possible too but before boosting monster´s life you need to fix broken things. The main problem is damage output with speedrun which trivilise the content.

Last edited by Rakiii#5559 on Jun 2, 2016, 2:08:32 PM
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Mythabril wrote:
Reduce all cast and attack speed by 25%.
Reduce DoT by 25% but increase duration by 25%.
Add diminishing returns to movement speed bonuses.
Reduce pack size by 25% but increase health and xp reward by 25%.

There. That should cover everything. Slow game is slow.

Bonus: Add more "look before engaging or die" mob modifiers.


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Rakiii wrote:
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restinpieces0815 wrote:
How do we fix slow as fuck gameplay meta?

Every char starts with 50% Movement speed!

The "A" in ARPG stands for "action" not for "asleep"


Action is coming from killing monsters and getting rewards not just running through content (WB meta)

Pyrokar

How?
I would also make magic/rare/uniq bosses tougher (it should take more time to kill them) but they should be also more rewarding (in exp, items, maps)
So you can still speed map and skip them but without rewards.



Well yes, but you wouldn't call it an action movie if they didn't have guns and jump/run around, but instead would poke the bad guy to death with a cotton bud.
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Well action movies are different, same as games. I like The predator as action movie. You could accept it´s full of action but on the other hand heroes need to stop sometimes, think about next progress, silent action etc...
I hope u undestand what I mean. But whatever u like:)
Last edited by Rakiii#5559 on Jun 2, 2016, 2:25:07 PM
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Pyrokar wrote:
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RootCookie wrote:
Movement skills are not the problem.

In my opinion the only way to fix the clear speed meta that allows people to chain maps at an insane speed, is to buff and add new vendor recipes. The main problem with the clear speed meta is that people who chain maps and ignore 95% of the loot are richer than someone who wants to loot a single map. As well as being richer they are also gaining more EXP. There needs to be a choice between rushing for lvls, and getting rich.
Somone who want to fast chain maps and ignore 95% of the loot should not be richer than somone who wants to use 6 portals and loot a map, and then have to deal with the vendor downtime.

Aside from that there would need to be bigger and more dangerouse checks to stop the faceroll.
I think the 1st option is better.


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Pyrokar wrote:
..., but how would you do it? Triple the alt and alch shards you get for vendoring items?
well, why not?
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Rakiii wrote:
Introduce new ability (base character stat)usually called "Stamina"

You´re loosing your power while moving/doing things

The faster and for a longer time you´re moving (or doing whatever) the faster you´re loosing stamina (energy).

It would introduce more tactics to the game.

On the other hand exping should be buffed (especially in higher lvl content)

What u think about that idea?



Fast clear speed is fine and should stay. What this game needs is more rewarding map system. Map mods should be reworked and reward players with more loot/map drops the harder map mods are. It s easy to just roll pack size on a map without any dangerous map mods which makes clearing a map very fast paced with no risky content where you actually have to kite/dodge mobs and apply brain
Clear speed meta is created due to bad balancing of the game.

If balance would be well made then player would need to pick (in example) 2 things from the list:
-high damage
-high survibality
-high AOE
-high mobility
-high utility/CC
-insert other

So you either:
Have high damage and high AOE but you move slow and die fast so need to be carefull the same play slower.
OR
Have high survibality and mobility, but you aoe and damage is crap thus you clear slower but safe.
OR
You have high damage and utility thus you are safe if you play tacticaly, but still your moblity and aoe is crap with slow you down.

Stating simply, the current balance of the game is soooooooo poor that you can have all of those stats above with good gear and proper build abusing.
How to say, look at the patch notes change to skill tree.
"1% attack speed per 100 accuracy changes to 1% per 200 accuracy"
What does it say? That GGG in balance terms is off in calculations by even up to 100% of the value. You can just imagine whats the real value for some builds, and those builds are usualy meta, because people abuse systems that have flaws for their own gain.
Last edited by herflik#4390 on Jun 2, 2016, 5:01:17 PM
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dudiobugtron wrote:
Here's how it would play out

Gameplay slows down for a while.
GGG releases new ways to interact with Stamina.
GGG keeps introducing more ways until it is viable to keep your stamina up all the time while rushing.
Those things then become 'necessary' for all builds.
Gameplay speeds up again.


Pretty much.. Sounds like you've been here a while and kinda know how things work around here! \m/
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