Is it just me, or is Malachi bull?
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I've done Malachi alone before, and died repeatedly because...Lets be honest I suck on my own, I tend to play support for everyone else. Okay, that's expected. It's annoying going from almost a full Exp bar to almost none because of the absurd damage, but whatever.
But today I did him with a group, and most of them were competent players, who've been playing for a year and a half now and run multiple leagues and been waist deep in maps and Azari. Here's how the fight went. We walked in, and all 6 of us died in the first five seconds of combat. Hentai to the face, followed by the rest of his non-sense on the two people that survived the attack. Now I expect the damage dealers and supports to explode, okay that makes sense to a degree. But when the tanks at 80% some resistances, and roughly 80% physical reduction and more health than I'll ever have are effectively getting one-shot thats when I start questioning how reasonable a boss is. Again, I expect myself to die alone repeatedly, but...We wiped repeatedly, and in most cases within seconds of entering either arena. 'Don't stand in the fire', great we can do that, but not if the fire is literally on us at spawn. One guy in the party mentioned that this is pretty standard unless you cheese your way through, I still don't know what he means in terms of cheese, but....Is this normal for Malachi? Is he normally broken enough that you 'wipe on entry'? Last bumped on Jun 1, 2016, 3:18:21 AM
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Cheese means to complete the fight in a stupid or cheating-ish way. In this case, the easiest way to cheese malachai is to start the fight on 0 exp so you can just keep rushing him after dying over and over.
Yes, btw, it is normal to die to Malachai a lot while you are still learning how to fight him well. You can practice avoiding his attacks on Cruel or Normal if Merciless is too high. It's not normal to die on entry though, since he talks for ages before attacking you. If everyone enters the fight at the same time, this won't be an issue. Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea: http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 Last edited by dudiobugtron#4663 on May 29, 2016, 6:04:13 PM
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A final boss is suppose to be hard so It's fine and this version of malachai in normal is a complete joke like they nerfed it very severely until Merc.
Dys an sohm Rohs an kyn Sahl djahs afah Mah morn narr Last edited by Coconutdoggy#1805 on May 29, 2016, 6:08:32 PM
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" I know what Cheese means XD I don't know what kind of cheese my friend was talking about, he never explained. I guess he assumed I knew what he meant, but as far as I can tell there's no way to cheese the fight itself. And that's also a thing that annoys me; It's not practice that's the problem. It's lag. I don't think I've had a session where if I'm in a group of more than 2 people, the lag is okay or stable. I know [mostly] how to avoid his attacks-- some of them are extremely annoying, since they're near instant, but I know how to avoid them. I can't do that however if every entity on screen is warping around with a 2 second delay. That's why bosses like this don't work in dungeon crawlers as far as I've seen; If it's a boss where you need to suddenly move out of the way with a short window of time, any amount of latency suddenly makes the fight a wipe fest. And let me clarify; I mean that when we reenter the arena after a death, we die within two seconds of having invulnerability removed. This first death after you start the fight with Piety around was us being bad/laggy. We were on the edges of the map, and he suddenly lagged forward, and three of us were dead in a second, the next guy took another second, and the tanks survived but got wiped by his next attack. --- Which, that also brings up my next question, how do melee guys do this fight? I've always been ranged or support-- I.E. not the guy not mashing his face against him. His tentacle portal seems to be extremely fast to trigger, as does his bomb toss, so how do melee builds deal with him? |
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" The same way they deal with half the rest of the content in the game. Very poorly. |
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If you wanted to look at builds that can cheese core, i know blade vortex pathfinders can, plus coc pathfinders. Having max block makes the fight a lot easier, there is also the volls devotion romiras combo to have immortal call up at all times. Ive heard of explosive arrow cheesing him from range as well using rumis, dont have any details on that.
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" Wait, block?.....His attacks counts as hits? Including the hentai portal of doom? |
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" How exactly are pathfinders "cheesing" him? Pathfinders use the tools at their disposal. It isn't like they're abusing AI or the fight mechanics the way, say, a bladefall miner might abuse Atziri phasing mechanics. Last edited by IlyaK1986#4225 on May 29, 2016, 7:18:55 PM
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I haven't really bothered going through Act 4 on my Tanker but I'm pretty sure I could facetank him pretty easily. I'm assuming Argus hits harder? If I'm right, then Malachi shouldn't be an issue at all.
Hail Thor-show thy might, Let thunder roar and lightning strike! Hurl thy hammer into the fray, And let thine enemies know fear this day!
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" well its just about how you want to interpret my words, i think the volls/romiras permanent ic is a bit of a cheese tactic but ggg have left it in the game for a couple of years now. You could argue that everything is cheese mechanics if you felt like it since pre planning and using mechanics seems much more powerful then player skill. Gigaus wrote "Pathfinders and ea using rearguard will generally get a lot of spell block. As someone else mentioned max curse effect bladefall miners can do the fight pretty easily as well. Last edited by Fhark#5469 on May 29, 2016, 7:44:30 PM
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