When Chris says that lab haters are a minority, how right is he?

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miljan wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Nah, feel free to keep believing soo.

The funniest part about this is you still think 321 people is a relevant number. We could even use a more reasonable number of 30,000 active players (well within reason especially based off steam chart numbers) and it would still only be 1%

Feel free to keep thinking you kids are a "majority" though.

No, I dont think 321 is a relevant number.
What I do think that over 3 different polls done over few months that show very similar result actually show what community think about the lab. And that the thoughts of the community on the forum, reddit, youtube and similar are in direct response to what the whole community think about the lab.

But because people dont like those facts, they will always for any game, post same thing you did here, that think that silent majority has different opinion. Saw same crappy defense of d3 fanboys on their forum when it was released. Guess fanboys are not that much different from game to game.

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Ceri wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

Feel free to keep thinking you kids are a "majority" though.

Yeah, you do that too.

I find it hilarious that the so-called majority labyrinth lovers has literally no arguments other than "git gud" or ridicule and scorn. Such powerful arguments, those. Which is why I've stopped posting about it, we're getting nowhere except hurling insults back and forth. Useless.

It should be more than obvious that no other feature introduced into the game has caused so much negative feedback. The near-absolute silence from GGG on this topic also shows that they are fully aware of that and hopefully listen to some of the great suggestions we've had from many people in the community. I'm fairly certain there's a lot of work going on at the office right now, they're trying hard to come up with solutions that makes it a better experience. Expecting anything else is silly. Obviously they're not going to scrap the Labyrinth, but hopefully they're going to tweak and tune it. Who knows, eventually it might actually be enjoyable. Right now, however, it sure isn't.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

3 polls with similar results show the exact same few people are voting regardless of being SPAMMED in practically every reddit and poe forum thread ive seen concerning the labyrinth.

Keep on going though, its hilarious.

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raics wrote:

So, to cut the long story short, we have two major problems with this poll.
1. Forum/Reddit poll isn't a good representative of the overall population because it might be just 200 whiners, 50 whiteknights and 50 random scrubs, because who else is visiting forums and reddit.
2. If they did it ingame right now it also wouldn't work because 'real players' are taking the time off between leagues and the only ones populating the leagues are diehard traders and jaded standard longriders that get zero excitement from the game anyway.

So, the closest we'll get to the true public opinion survey would be by releasing an ingame poll within the first month of Prophecy with the right to vote being granted after completing the labyrinth at least once on the account.

The measure is needed because hate is a much stronger emotion, creating multiple accounts to bash something via the poll is much more likely than doing the same to praise it.

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raics wrote:

So, to cut the long story short, we have two major problems with this poll.
1. Forum/Reddit poll isn't a good representative of the overall population because it might be just 200 whiners, 50 whiteknights and 50 random scrubs, because who else is visiting forums and reddit.
2. If they did it ingame right now it also wouldn't work because 'real players' are taking the time off between leagues and the only ones populating the leagues are diehard traders and jaded standard longriders that get zero excitement from the game anyway.

So, the closest we'll get to the true public opinion survey would be by releasing an ingame poll within the first month of Prophecy with the right to vote being granted after completing the labyrinth at least once on the account.

The measure is needed because hate is a much stronger emotion, creating multiple accounts to bash something via the poll is much more likely than doing the same to praise it.

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miljan wrote:

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

3 polls with similar results show the exact same few people are voting regardless of being SPAMMED in practically every reddit and poe forum thread ive seen concerning the labyrinth.

Keep on going though, its hilarious.

I know the truth hurts. Fact is 3 different polls with thousand of voters voted on two different sites in 3 different time period. Ignore all you want this facts, but they will be here to show you how wrong you are. Yes, it hilarious really to think the same type of fanboys from d3 are presented here.

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miljan wrote:

The best thing that could happen is the poll like they did for the flashback league. So they put it in announcement. It will show in game that people should go to the forum and vote.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

I remember i responded on reddit to someone a while back detailing how profitable labyrinth was, i got absolutely downvoted into oblivion with tons of negative responses. A week and a half later someone posts a thread detailing pretty much everything i said, gets upvoted to the front page and its tons of people singing nothing but praise for how it made them rich.

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raics wrote:

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miljan wrote:

The best thing that could happen is the poll like they did for the flashback league. So they put it in announcement. It will show in game that people should go to the forum and vote.

Sure, that could work too.

Also, get 1 challenge on voting, people like incentives.

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Tin_Foil_Hat wrote:

I remember i responded on reddit to someone a while back detailing how profitable labyrinth was, i got absolutely downvoted into oblivion with tons of negative responses. A week and a half later someone posts a thread detailing pretty much everything i said, gets upvoted to the front page and its tons of people singing nothing but praise for how it made them rich.

True enough, seen it myself more than once.

But, if we absolutely need a poll I think that method would give us the best odds of getting something credible. Hivemind is less of an issue if you cut people off from one another, they will complete the lab at different times, vote at different times and (if done properly) there will be no accompanying thread to the poll where you might read something to skew your opinion.