Dear GGG, is there a fix on the way for this? Multiple trap ="less dmg" instead of "less trap dmg"

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ScrotieMcB wrote:

Once upon a time Remote Mine and Trap did give a generic More damage, and they were nerfed. Why? Back in those days, "x% increased Mine Damage" scaled the damage of Traps created by Mines, and apparently there were some issues massively scaling damage with Trap+Mine combo, given some very favorable passive nodes.

This also led to some weird Minion play. For example, the highest damage Zombies in the game for a while would be created using Remote Mine and Trap, using Sunblast to remove the need for enemies to trigger Traps. This was a lot like having three Minion Damage supports, but added a tedious, snapshotting-ish step to starting up your summoner.

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

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Sexcalibure wrote:

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JohnNamikaze wrote:

Honestly, Multiple trap support gem should had been what Cluster trap support gem is currently.

Wild strike is what elemental hit should have been
Earthquake is what groundslam should have been
and static strike has the effect that Shock nova should have gotten when it was a shitty skill

Ground Slam is still an awesome skill....it just they made another skill similar to it with a twist to make it more streamlined as a meta skill.

Shock Nova already got revamped, so it is more or less better than Static Strike. Hell, Lightning Strike got a revamp and it is better than Static Strike. Static Strike needs less duration if it wants to make a difference with the AoE portion of the skill....otherwise you have to...............melee in the face. In really high level content it is kinda dangerous to do that.


Elemental Hit has had some tweaks, but Wild Strike is still more interesting.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Jonmcdonald wrote:

Why is it preferred to have a global less multiplier compared to less trap multiplier, anyway?

The "less damage" modifier is inherently meant as a counterbalance against the "place extra traps" modifier.

The "place extra traps" effectively multiplies the potential damage output of not just the trap, but any objects created by the trap which then do their own skills.

Therefore the "less damage" should do so as well, or else it's not working as that counterbalance.
If the bonus (more traps) applies to some things that the penalty doesn't, then we have to balance the gem around those cases (mostly specific minions) where only bonus applies but the penalty doesn't, which would make the gem less appealing in all the cases the penalty does apply. That restricts build diversity significantly.

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Kobeer wrote:

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Mark_GGG wrote:

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Jonmcdonald wrote:

Why is it preferred to have a global less multiplier compared to less trap multiplier, anyway?

The "less damage" modifier is inherently meant as a counterbalance against the "place extra traps" modifier.

The "place extra traps" effectively multiplies the potential damage output of not just the trap, but any objects created by the trap which then do their own skills.

Therefore the "less damage" should do so as well, or else it's not working as that counterbalance.
If the bonus (more traps) applies to some things that the penalty doesn't, then we have to balance the gem around those cases (mostly specific minions) where only bonus applies but the penalty doesn't, which would make the gem less appealing in all the cases the penalty does apply. That restricts build diversity significantly.

Pardon my ignorance, so does this mean if I'm just using cluster traps with a trap gem already that things won't change? Or will the mod change effect the current damage I do?

Just wanna plan ahead, thanks!

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Redfeather_1975 wrote:

So instead of this...
(55 to 36)% less Trap Damage

It's going to be this...
(55 to 36)% less Damage (except for use with Summon Skeletons)

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Daeeedal wrote:

So if Trap damage modifiers don't affect the summons in question, then the bonus damage from Trap doesn't do anything for them either I assume? So we're just going to throw another less modifier into the mix for summoners and completely remove any logical incentive to ever combine traps and summons?