Harmony of purpose
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The current behaviour of the ascendancy passive is illogical, and also doesn't fit thematically with the rest of the guardian subclass. I'll explain.
The description says "Nearby party members share Charges" I expected it to be like everyone having conduit. So every time someone in the party generated a charge, others would get it (as long as everyone is close to each other, of course). This is what happens, unless you are the one getting the charges, in which no one else gets them. First, I don't understand what's the point in excluding you from the rest of the party. Second, if we look at the big nodes from the guardian class, all of them provide party buffs based on your own actions and skills. This node does the opposite, everyone except you is supporting. Culler-support build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617230 Dedicated support build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702757 Last bumped on May 18, 2016, 9:12:43 AM
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Get conduit if you want conduit.
If you want to benefit from other players' charges, get this one instead. :) Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 |
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" My quoted text is the in-game description. The wording change was made few hours before ascendancy, but the behaviour remains the same. I understood that, currently, if I want conduit I have to get it myself. But the description (and behaviour) still doesn't make any sense to me. Why I am left out from sharing charges? These are the effects of the big nodes from guardian that affect party: I and nearby allies can't be stunned if I block with Bastion of Hope. I and nearby allies have attack, cast and movement speed with Prayer of Glory I and nearby allies gain an es+armor for reserving my mana/hp with Radiant Faith I and nearby allies have regen and phys reduction for every aura with Unwavering Faith ...... Nearby party members share charges with Harmony of Purpose Culler-support build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617230 Dedicated support build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702757 Last edited by dulahan200 on Mar 15, 2016, 7:05:15 PM
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I agree it should give a buff to the user as well, otherwise it is only for parties.
Maybe give it the bonuses of the nodes behind conduit as well? So if you do get conduit you can stack them. Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 |
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I'd be curious to hear GGG's reasoning why it does not work the way you described. I don't have good context for evaluating whether it'd be a good change or not...
...but since hardly anyone plays Guardian, it seems like it can't be a bad idea! It seems kind of redundant to give party members Conduit; if they're generating Power Charges, then what do they need Conduit for? If you're leeching off their power charges, then that doesn't really fit into the "support" style very well, does it? Seems pretty backwards to me. builds: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1663570/
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Having an ascendancy passive which gives exactly the same effect as a keystone is not good IMO.
Maybe make it something like "You and party members have a 50% chance to share charges" or something. Face it, all of your suggestions are worse than this idea:
http://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/657756 |
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"No, it was changed significantly before then. "This is also incorrect. The early version of the passive which was tested granted conduit to your allies within the aura. This was quickly identified as unecessarily confusing and having weird interactions, due to conduit itself being an effect with a radius around the conduit player (a different radius from the aura, as well). We spent some time discussing improvements to this, and ultimately implemented the current version, where anything affected by the aura shares charges with anything else affected by the aura. This is significantly different from granting conduit to things in the aura. There are some reported bugs with this behaviour, which we'll be looking into soon. As for why the aura doesn't affect you as well, that was part of the design. I will be following this up with Rory, as I do agree the current implementation would be more intuitive if it did include you, but there may well be balance or design reasons why this isn't desirable. | |
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I think it is fine currently as it is regarding solo/party balance.
All notables in guardian except Time of Need are both solo and party play buffs. In the Harmony of Purpose the solo benefit is to have easier time fighting Shared Boon, Legacy of Zeal and Legacy of Vigour. Especially the last one can be hugely beneficial, enemy with a strong crit mod and 10+ buffed versions of frenzy charges wrecks faces. Finally a support hero that is not made of paper! Loving it so far. |
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" Would be so fun if the inability to generate charges would include Izaro :P | |
" I think I understand the difference now, thanks for clarifying. Instead of having two radiuses (one for harmony, another for conduit) there is only one radius for harmony, and everything inside that radius shares charges with everything. Are minions and totems included in that "anything"? In other words, if a minion or totem gets a charge, it is shared to players, minions and totems close to the templar? " I'm happy to hear that you guys are considering the possibility of you being included. Keep us up to date with that please! Culler-support build: https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1617230
Dedicated support build https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1702757 |
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