Endless Hunger "Life Leech effects are not removed at Full Life" doesn't work with Ghost Reaver / ES

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KillgoreTrout wrote:

The fact that prior to this mechanic all modifications for life leech referring to life simply replaced the word life with ES for the modifier (e.g #% of maximum Life per second to maximum Life Leech rate). It did not decide that for GR/CI t max life was 1, round down to 0 and make no change - it worked as expected, shaming t word life for ES by increasing ES leech in proportion to maximum ES.


This does not make sense in this context:

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Mark_GGG wrote:
Ghost Reaver makes life leech apply to ES instead. This inherently means that those leech effects are already not removed at full life (otherwise CI couldn't use GR). They're removed at full ES.

Endless Hunger only says it stops them being removed at full life (and with GR, they already aren't) it doesn't say anything about preventing them being removed at full ES.

Gotta agree, this seems like pretty poor logic to me. Ghost Reaver tacitly makes every other aspect of life leech translate over to ES, not just the leech itself but the leech per second/max leech rate and their modifiers (which only say 'life'), vaal pact (which only specifies 'life'), various 'while leeching' effects... doesn't really make much sense to have just this one exception where 'life' doesn't become 'energy shield'.


I mean, to translate that logic into a different perspective, 'Ghost Reaver doesn't say anything about leech rates being based on max ES', yet it does work that way (thankfully). So... yeah, logical fallacy.

So i've used a lot of time on theorycrafting a CI slayer build, leveled it to 70 etc. and now i've realized that it simply isn't gonna work.. and playing ANY other ascendancy would have been better, simply cause a slayer doesn't work with ES, it pisses me **** off.

I was originally really annoyed by this. But then I realised: I already knew that Springleaf's bonus life regen worked on low life when you had Zealot's Oath, not low ES. I don't know why I expected Ghost Reaver to work differently to Zealot's Oath in terms of what it transfers to apply to ES.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Ghost Reaver makes life leech apply to ES instead. This inherently means that those leech effects are already not removed at full life (otherwise CI couldn't use GR). They're removed at full ES.

Endless Hunger only says it stops them being removed at full life (and with GR, they already aren't) it doesn't say anything about preventing them being removed at full ES.

So if you're at full life and not full ES, it will not end the leeching and you will continue to leech with the leeched life going to Energy Shield.

However, when you are at full life and full ES it will arbitrarily end any existing leech effects? This doesn't make much sense as you're still at full life and thus should still be leeching... no where does it say "Leech will instead stop when you are at full ES".

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

no where does it say "Leech will instead stop when you are at full ES".

Mark says that is one of the effects of Ghost Reaver's "Life Leech applies to Energy Shield instead of Life".

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dudiobugtron wrote:

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Nicholas_Steel wrote:

no where does it say "Leech will instead stop when you are at full ES".

Mark says that is one of the effects of Ghost Reaver's "Life Leech applies to Energy Shield instead of Life".

Yeah but that info isn't conveyed in the game. If the ability said something like "Converts Life Leech to Energy Shield Leech" than his argument would have a point.