Here is how to adress spark in pvp

I agree with most of what you guys are saying,

on another note though it's not only ''my build'' that is getting hard countered by it, it's the majority of ES builds wether it is ci or low life. Unless you are specced into all regen you cannot avoid spark, tank it or block it enough to be safe somewhere on the map.

On our early tournaments, texasisfucked ( ea ) could only tank sparks with a saffells equipped paired with high regen, but he also cannot attack during the tanking...

And yeah even 2h rts guys like mulla is saying cannot live trought it, there is just too many sparks around hitting you from every angle.

You cannot let a build having hit boxes on the entire map from his starting spawn point, it defeats the purpose of trying to chase and kill your opponent, any skill that can hit without really aiming anywhere shouldnt be able to cover the entire screen like that.

Put map seperations, water, better layouts, more eleveted area, reduce spark duration in pvp ( this is what makes the invisible projectiles ), this wouldnt hurt lld very much since you cannot have such a long lasting spark like in HLD.

If that ^ doesn't fix it, reduce the damage.

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hauntworld1 wrote:

On our early tournaments, texasisfucked ( ea ) could only tank sparks with a saffells equipped paired with high regen, but he also cannot attack during the tanking...

And yeah even 2h rts guys like mulla is saying cannot live trought it, there is just too many sparks around hitting you from every angle.
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Neither used talismans. I'm literally almost immortal vs paukembor with 1 avenger's flask, 9k hp, talisman and deceiver belt. For ES it can understandably be a problem cause it will cancel your recharge. For life builds though.. I dont think there should be a problem, even as 6k life pool char.

i cant understand the drama about the spark while there is so much counters of it, like frost wall, conversion talismans, deceiver belt, avenger flasks, fairgraves hat(it helps... seriously)... rumi or atziri boots... etc.

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Rupenus wrote:

i cant understand the drama about the spark while there is so much counters of it, like frost wall, conversion talismans, deceiver belt, avenger flasks, fairgraves hat(it helps... seriously)... rumi or atziri boots... etc.

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Fair graves, been there done that years ago. It helps but it wont soften the damage enough.

Deceiver, you guys still keep pushing this belt...GGG must of stealth buffed its effectiveness because when I tried Fair graves+Unyielding+Deceiver+Topaz/Sapphire/Ruby flasks (depending on skill) versus Shadows Tempest shield and crit spells...trying to remove as many damage multipliers as I could I still died in the same amount of hits.

Frost wall, easily countered by pierce

Avengers are good, if you can take minimal hits often enough. Big crits can do upwards of 4k life at a time on average.

Rumi's if you plan to face tank and try to all in quickly. Would go well with Saffell's offhand, which RNG blocks a few sparks out of 100's.

Atziri's, RNG

Talisman, best obvious counter

I'd like to extend a challenge to you or anyone else. Use all of this or as much as you can, then versus the stronger sparkers. As melee and as ranged, while being able to not only survive rounds but win rounds as well.

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lapiz wrote:

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hauntworld1 wrote:

On our early tournaments, texasisfucked ( ea ) could only tank sparks with a saffells equipped paired with high regen, but he also cannot attack during the tanking...

And yeah even 2h rts guys like mulla is saying cannot live trought it, there is just too many sparks around hitting you from every angle.
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Neither used talismans. I'm literally almost immortal vs paukembor with 1 avenger's flask, 9k hp, talisman and deceiver belt. For ES it can understandably be a problem cause it will cancel your recharge. For life builds though.. I dont think there should be a problem, even as 6k life pool char.

I get talisman is your answer to basically everything but for real, I hope that's not how things unfold for PvP. It will seriously take PvP from dire straights to straight shit. I bet it will drive more people away from PvP because A. it's monotonous to swap talisman and not have a dedicated amulet per match. B. it'll discourage elemental builds C. It'll reduce diversity and will do nothing but have people blind swapping gear every round with the assumption someone is using it or not using it.

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MullaXul wrote:

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Rupenus wrote:

i cant understand the drama about the spark while there is so much counters of it, like frost wall, conversion talismans, deceiver belt, avenger flasks, fairgraves hat(it helps... seriously)... rumi or atziri boots... etc.

Ha

Fair graves, been there done that years ago. It helps but it wont soften the damage enough.

Deceiver, you guys still keep pushing this belt...GGG must of stealth buffed its effectiveness because when I tried Fair graves+Unyielding+Deceiver+Topaz/Sapphire/Ruby flasks (depending on skill) versus Shadows Tempest shield and crit spells...trying to remove as many damage multipliers as I could I still died in the same amount of hits.

Frost wall, easily countered by pierce

Avengers are good, if you can take minimal hits often enough. Big crits can do upwards of 4k life at a time on average.

Rumi's if you plan to face tank and try to all in quickly. Would go well with Saffell's offhand, which RNG blocks a few sparks out of 100's.

Atziri's, RNG

Talisman, best obvious counter

I'd like to extend a challenge to you or anyone else. Use all of this or as much as you can, then versus the stronger sparkers. As melee and as ranged, while being able to not only survive rounds but win rounds as well.

pierce means -1 dps gem slot. spark's X-Y damage is not high like other spells because of investments of the caster to increased duration + proj speed. -1 gem slot is highly impacting thing for spark i think. 46 Spell dodge(im mentioning atziri boots here) really works good, thats how i survive vs spark guys. in order to benefit from such spell dodge RNG you need 7k~ life roll as you can guess. and trust me, fairgraves is really helping. without it im having serious troubles.

if you add all of these conversion amulets too, i think we shouldnt be hysteric about spark's ownage in 2.1 meta. its true that spark is really hard to counter for ES builds, they have loris, and rainbow + rathpith combo; still, since spark's X-Y is not very high life builds + avenger flasks are having much much easier time vs spark, i can understand the complaints of spellcasters/CI players here. but we, life build users, i think we have enough counters.

The real issue against es builds is the fact that you cannot go anywhere on the map to recharge energy shield against spark, which to me is not fair at all.

Life builds have potions, regen, and flask mods that will give them charges when taking crit etc... deceiver, uniyielding, fairgraves, talismans, life builds are way less prone to shock ailment unlike lowlife.

Es builds have, loris ( for ll only ), spell block ( not very high ), no potions to heal up and talismans which we didnt get access to yet. Deceiver is not a good option for me vs spark because it reduces my block and i rather not get hit to recharge es than trying to mitigate the damage.

But the counters to spark for ES builds does nothing in order to help the real problem, if i had a potion to heal my ES while taking damage ofcourse its gonna be 10 times easier that's why life builds are much better against it.

On another note i dont think a ''skill'' should have the ability to fully counter energy shield like that, if i could atleast recharge my es properly i would stand a good chance.

How am i suposed to keep fighting if my ES goes down to half the very few seconds after the match starts, im trying to run away to recharge but im getting hit from invisible sparks or they are just everywhere and i keep getting hit no matter where i try to go.

I can go into corners and use frostwall, but imo thats just plain bullshit and i should not be forced to do that to survive, im finding myself doing that more than trying to DPS my damn opponent or running away, and then again they can use pierce and if they are wise they already have pierce nodes.

again the problem is very easily spotted, no counter items will make it better, they need to fix the issue of sparks lasting too long, being everywhere on the map with no safe spots, maps are too wide open without obstacles to block them, no seperations nothing.

You guys cant even imagine how of a pain it is to play with no potions to heal yourself at all, thank god they buffed es recharge delay last patches... but that's still not enough vs spark. No matter how much ES i have or damage, if i cant recharge it i cannot keep fighting and the only option for me is to gamble rush and hope i kill the sparker before he kills me or its game over and it really shouldnt be like that.

Well we understand you haunt. Thats basically what everyone is saying here. But thats not rly the problem of spark it is a defensive problem of es builds that solely rely on recharge and there is not much you can do other than rushing and hoping to get the kill before you get killed.

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Rupenus wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

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Rupenus wrote:

i cant understand the drama about the spark while there is so much counters of it, like frost wall, conversion talismans, deceiver belt, avenger flasks, fairgraves hat(it helps... seriously)... rumi or atziri boots... etc.

Ha

Fair graves, been there done that years ago. It helps but it wont soften the damage enough.

Deceiver, you guys still keep pushing this belt...GGG must of stealth buffed its effectiveness because when I tried Fair graves+Unyielding+Deceiver+Topaz/Sapphire/Ruby flasks (depending on skill) versus Shadows Tempest shield and crit spells...trying to remove as many damage multipliers as I could I still died in the same amount of hits.

Frost wall, easily countered by pierce

Avengers are good, if you can take minimal hits often enough. Big crits can do upwards of 4k life at a time on average.

Rumi's if you plan to face tank and try to all in quickly. Would go well with Saffell's offhand, which RNG blocks a few sparks out of 100's.

Atziri's, RNG

Talisman, best obvious counter

I'd like to extend a challenge to you or anyone else. Use all of this or as much as you can, then versus the stronger sparkers. As melee and as ranged, while being able to not only survive rounds but win rounds as well.

pierce means -1 dps gem slot. spark's X-Y damage is not high like other spells because of investments of the caster to increased duration + proj speed. -1 gem slot is highly impacting thing for spark i think. 46 Spell dodge(im mentioning atziri boots here) really works good, thats how i survive vs spark guys. in order to benefit from such spell dodge RNG you need 7k~ life roll as you can guess. and trust me, fairgraves is really helping. without it im having serious troubles.

if you add all of these conversion amulets too, i think we shouldnt be hysteric about spark's ownage in 2.1 meta. its true that spark is really hard to counter for ES builds, they have loris, and rainbow + rathpith combo; still, since spark's X-Y is not very high life builds + avenger flasks are having much much easier time vs spark, i can understand the complaints of spellcasters/CI players here. but we, life build users, i think we have enough counters.

I'd like to extend a challenge to you or anyone else. Use all of this or as much as you can, then versus the stronger sparkers. As melee and as ranged, while being able to not only survive rounds but win rounds as well.

Show me

i wouldnt be so cocky in a game where gear is so important. : ) cause i have possibly the best gear in the game. and even right clicking is most of the time enough.