[2.4] "The Lawn Mower™" God Tier Blade Vortex / UBER & SHAPER deathless / with video! Atlas Ready!

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PipiskaAzazina wrote:
So my quiestion is about supps for vortex:
I have 67.78% crit with Inc. crit strikes and 35.5k dps in tooltip with 461% multi
And with level 4 empower i have 45.06% crit chanse with 34.1k dps in tooltip.
In my mind first choose is better but i dont know how it realy works, maybe someone tell me something about choose betwen this 2 supps so a great problems with damage on uber Atziri.



You want to use Increased critical strike gem. You want to be critting as much as possible for flask charge generation, and damage. We invest so much into crit multi, that it's inneficient to have low crit chance. Empower 4 is nice if you have really nice crit gear/jewels etc.
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prfct1on wrote:
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PipiskaAzazina wrote:
So my quiestion is about supps for vortex:
I have 67.78% crit with Inc. crit strikes and 35.5k dps in tooltip with 461% multi
And with level 4 empower i have 45.06% crit chanse with 34.1k dps in tooltip.
In my mind first choose is better but i dont know how it realy works, maybe someone tell me something about choose betwen this 2 supps so a great problems with damage on uber Atziri.



You want to use Increased critical strike gem. You want to be critting as much as possible for flask charge generation, and damage. We invest so much into crit multi, that it's inneficient to have low crit chance. Empower 4 is nice if you have really nice crit gear/jewels etc.

Ty a lot for answer, think rly nice crit gear with high es shield is not reality on the league of essence now so crit+es rare items such as rings/shield/amulet is so expensive.
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PipiskaAzazina wrote:
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prfct1on wrote:
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PipiskaAzazina wrote:
So my quiestion is about supps for vortex:
I have 67.78% crit with Inc. crit strikes and 35.5k dps in tooltip with 461% multi
And with level 4 empower i have 45.06% crit chanse with 34.1k dps in tooltip.
In my mind first choose is better but i dont know how it realy works, maybe someone tell me something about choose betwen this 2 supps so a great problems with damage on uber Atziri.



You want to use Increased critical strike gem. You want to be critting as much as possible for flask charge generation, and damage. We invest so much into crit multi, that it's inneficient to have low crit chance. Empower 4 is nice if you have really nice crit gear/jewels etc.

Ty a lot for answer, think rly nice crit gear with high es shield is not reality on the league of essence now so crit+es rare items such as rings/shield/amulet is so expensive.


I currently use inc duraion and inc crits and swap out the duration for empower at bosses. This is only an option if you can sustain 20 stacks without spellecho ofc.
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Hookahtowlie wrote:
Now Ziz is also playing this build...and he also says that Throat seeker wheel is better than Force Shaper wheel. prfct1on can you explain to me why this is the case? all Math i've done tells me Force Shaper is better...


why am i getting ignored here? :D :(
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Hookahtowlie wrote:

I currently use inc duraion and inc crits and swap out the duration for empower at bosses. This is only an option if you can sustain 20 stacks without spellecho ofc.


I am using spell echo instead of inc duration, so has a question about real dps from bv. How i can calculate it?
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prfct1on wrote:
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Drugslines wrote:
Is that build requered level 4 enlightment's? Or level 3 would be nice too?


You need two 4's to run all. Drop haste if you cannot afford the enlightens.

No, you don't.

For example lvl 21 Blood Magic + lvl 3 Enlighten + Haste/Hatred + Herald of Ice/Ash allows you to put a big Aura on life.
You can then run the rest on lvl 3 Enlightens on Mana.

This costs you an additional lvl 3 Enlighten gem and 1 gem slot (remove Golem) though! So lvl 4 Enlighten are of course "best in slot" but the build is very well possible without them!

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Hookahtowlie wrote:
Now Ziz is also playing this build...and he also says that Throat seeker wheel is better than Force Shaper wheel. prfct1on can you explain to me why this is the case? all Math i've done tells me Force Shaper is better...

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Hookahtowlie wrote:
why am i getting ignored here? :D :(

Honestly, OP doesn't really care (at least that's my feeling) about optimizing. He has his character and OP items and run's the build with it's items as if it was still patch 2.2 or so. There was no progress in the build since then, while a slightly different tree and gem use is obviously better now after BV was changed.
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daish0 wrote:
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prfct1on wrote:
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Drugslines wrote:
Is that build requered level 4 enlightment's? Or level 3 would be nice too?


You need two 4's to run all. Drop haste if you cannot afford the enlightens.

No, you don't.

For example lvl 21 Blood Magic + lvl 3 Enlighten + Haste/Hatred + Herald of Ice/Ash allows you to put a big Aura on life.
You can then run the rest on lvl 3 Enlightens on Mana.

This costs you an additional lvl 3 Enlighten gem and 1 gem slot (remove Golem) though! So lvl 4 Enlighten are of course "best in slot" but the build is very well possible without them!

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Hookahtowlie wrote:
Now Ziz is also playing this build...and he also says that Throat seeker wheel is better than Force Shaper wheel. prfct1on can you explain to me why this is the case? all Math i've done tells me Force Shaper is better...

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Hookahtowlie wrote:
why am i getting ignored here? :D :(

Honestly, OP doesn't really care (at least that's my feeling) about optimizing. He has his character and OP items and run's the build with it's items as if it was still patch 2.2 or so. There was no progress in the build since then, while a slightly different tree and gem use is obviously better now after BV was changed.



Gee... let's see here. A build that's been optimized to the max through previous patches. They change BV on a gem level and we need to change the gem setup and tree (which you mentioned was done). What the hell else is there to do? Spoiler alert, nothing. The build has no reason to change because since 2.2 nothing WARRANTS IT besides the aforementioned tree and gem setups.

Op items? I use a 5ex dagger, non enchanted helm, decent jewelry but nothing mirrored. SURE OP! There's countless people running around in essence right now with better gear than me. Everyone feels the need to link me their OP bv items, I've seen the stuff existing over there.

It's quite rude, claiming I don't care about optimizing, no matter how you slice it. Because I don't answer a single question about force shaper I'm deemed not to care about optimizing the build since 2.2. Wow. Because I don't share some bloodmagic setup I dislike means I don't care?

Comments like these make me wonder why I spend the time to maintain this guide for 9 months. Answer the countless questions, and sacrifice my free time between two jobs.
Last edited by Solishaw#0089 on Oct 19, 2016, 5:55:45 PM
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Gee... let's see here. A build that's been optimized to the max through previous patches. They change BV on a gem level and we need to change the gem setup and tree (which you mentioned was done). What the hell else is there to do? Spoiler alert, nothing. The build has no reason to change because since 2.2 nothing WARRANTS IT besides the aforementioned tree and gem setups.

Op items? I use a 5ex dagger, non enchanted helm, decent jewelry but nothing mirrored. SURE OP! There's countless people running around in essence right now with better gear than me. Everyone feels the need to link me their OP bv items, I've seen the stuff existing over there.

It's quite rude, claiming I don't care about optimizing, no matter how you slice it. Because I don't answer a single question about force shaper I'm deemed not to care about optimizing the build since 2.2. Wow. Because I don't share some bloodmagic setup I dislike means I don't care?

Comments like these make me wonder why I spend the time to maintain this guide for 9 months. Answer the countless questions, and sacrifice my free time between two jobs.[/quote]


i don't really see a reason saying that you don't care tbh...that's quit rough and i would not support this kind of reaction....

Just the one question...mathematically Force Shaper wheel is better than throatseeker. Why you pick throatseeker over it? :D or is my math wrong which could probably be ;)
Wondering if I could get some assistance with this build....going to be a bit different though.


I am a level 89 scion in essence softcore....and I found this build and wanted to do it, so I took the ascendancy passives to start from the witch node. I picked the occultist ascenancy and the pathfinder from the rangers tree.


I have plenty of dps and ES but I keep getting one hit by the smallest shit....was doing uber atziri earlier and one blue guy hit me for 8.7k es.

I have all the right gear, running all auras with enlighten 4's, skyforths, shavs, all the stuff.


What am I doing wrong? I am tried facetanking the Minotaur in maze of the Minotaur but he just hits me so hard I lose half my es per hit and cant leech fast enough i guess....I have vaal pact

If you can check my tree and gear on my profile and give me any tips that would be great

Thanks


EDIT: The reason I am a scion is because I started with this and didnt want to start over on a witch when this was already level 88.


https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAABAAPuBUIJ2Q18DdEPqxEPES8RUBa_Fy8YahmKGo8bJR0UHaodviBuIvQkbySLKPoqCyo4Kwospi2oMTUzhzQKNbk3ZjlSPV9BlkZxRwZJUUmxS65Ms1AwUEJSU1M1VdZXyVgHXGtcil3yXypfamNDZJ1k52wLbRlwUnRVdf17bnvXgKSCx4MJhEiEb4TFidOMNo9Gj_qQ1pMnlyGXlZf0m6GbtaEvpyusmK6zsZC0DLVIvoC-isF8wzrDbcpGytPQH9DQ0PXUQtfP2VvbXt2S34rhiOKt44TpAuq662Pr9e-I7-vw1fId8tLy4fba99f5N_rS-wk=?accountName=240&characterName=ScionRF



Last edited by 240#1060 on Oct 20, 2016, 2:28:12 AM
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240 wrote:
Wondering if I could get some assistance with this build....going to be a bit different though.


I am a level 89 scion in essence softcore....and I found this build and wanted to do it, so I took the ascendancy passives to start from the witch node. I picked the occultist ascenancy and the pathfinder from the rangers tree.


I have plenty of dps and ES but I keep getting one hit by the smallest shit....was doing uber atziri earlier and one blue guy hit me for 8.7k es.

I have all the right gear, running all auras with enlighten 4's, skyforths, shavs, all the stuff.


What am I doing wrong? I am tried facetanking the Minotaur in maze of the Minotaur but he just hits me so hard I lose half my es per hit and cant leech fast enough i guess....I have vaal pact

If you can check my tree and gear on my profile and give me any tips that would be great

Thanks


EDIT: The reason I am a scion is because I started with this and didnt want to start over on a witch when this was already level 88.


https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAABAABAAPuBUIJ2Q18DdEPqxEPES8RUBa_Fy8YahmKGo8bJR0UHaodviBuIvQkbySLKPoqCyo4Kwospi2oMTUzhzQKNbk3ZjlSPV9BlkZxRwZJUUmxS65Ms1AwUEJSU1M1VdZXyVgHXGtcil3yXypfamNDZJ1k52wLbRlwUnRVdf17bnvXgKSCx4MJhEiEb4TFidOMNo9Gj_qQ1pMnlyGXlZf0m6GbtaEvpyusmK6zsZC0DLVIvoC-isF8wzrDbcpGytPQH9DQ0PXUQtfP2VvbXt2S34rhiOKt44TpAuq662Pr9e-I7-vw1fId8tLy4fba99f5N_rS-wk=?accountName=240&characterName=ScionRF





why don't you use a cast when damage taken setup to start off with some def? I play as pathfinder and only have 7,6k es and can almost tank anything...if you run a vessel of vinktar always use an anti shock flask with it if you might not do that already...beeing shocked is actually a big deal...









Just the one question to op...mathematically Force Shaper wheel is better than throatseeker. Why you pick throatseeker over it? :D or is my math wrong which could probably be ;)

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