Auction House which is preserving the economy

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Aim_Deep wrote:

I don't really have a problem with trading as is just looking for improvement mainly of afkers and offliners. At work I just leave poe running and alt tab every so often but still mis some sales if im out in the field and don't check back for hours at a time. AH would solve this not sure what steam system is all about but if it does too I'm all for it.

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Perhaps a way to flag your items in your inventory for what you want listed or not listed, via stash or some other method.

Basically the way it works with steam offer system is they can see your TF2 hats or dota 2 items and you can select stuff from your inventory to trade, neither have to be online to complete the deal the offer typically last a set amount of time in which you could accept. This would basically only be used to sell items to people that can't play the same time as you, GGG would have to set a hard limit on the amount of transactions that could be completed this way, so its not a fully automated AH.

As for improvements for not playing, part of trading in PoE has always been interaction and keeping that interaction is far more important then speeding up the acquisition of items in the game. Part of the reason why leagues die faster and faster are people acquiring items and completing builds faster and faster. Unless GGG enjoys this 1 month of activity per league idea and wants it decreased even further adding automation including actual auction sytle listings needs to not happen.

People should get rewarded for time invested into selling, not just awarded for finding something. The current system rewards this type of behavior, while most people's suggestions don't.

why GGG dont wanna make simple test, just put AH(with no taxes) in temporarily league and figure out - is it real ruin the game? cos its more like solving problems as: scamming, overpricing, offline, afk, blind people or just jerks, trolling, etc.

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availablex wrote:

why GGG dont wanna make simple test, just put AH(with no taxes) in temporarily league and figure out - is it real ruin the game? cos its more like solving problems as: scamming, overpricing, offline, afk, blind people or just jerks, trolling, etc.

Because they don't want an AH in their game, why must people like you resort to that as the only way to fix the issues you've listed?


Afk issue should be fixed in ascendancy

Offline can be fixed with some limited form of mailbox trade

Overpricing, that won't ever be fixed.
Scamming, is the nature of some people. An AH just allows for people to snip those deals before you do.



If you don't like players then I suggest you get a thicker coat of skin, tis a hard world out there.

Its not like an AH can be whipped up in a matter of minutes either, I doubt the devs at the company have any experience coding for it, but again even if they do they simply won't add it in, so don't get your hopes up.

Now speaking on the behalf of GGG is a special way to show "how good player are You" or something else ?!

I don't think so. It's really the time peoples to stop speaking on behalf of GGG once for all.

Thus that something is not implemented yet, does not means at all that they do NOT wanna implement it at all.
It means that it is NOT YET IMPLEMENTED. That's it.

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availablex wrote:

why GGG dont wanna make simple test, just put AH(with no taxes) in temporarily league and figure out - is it real ruin the game? cos its more like solving problems as: scamming, overpricing, offline, afk, blind people or just jerks, trolling, etc.

I don't think the concern over an AH is that it will ruin the game. PoE has had a 3rd party AH for years now without the game imploding.

The question has now become 'should GGG devote development time to make a 1st party AH when the 3rd party AH works for *most* players?'

For me the answer to that question is YES. Lack of a user friendly in-game trade system is one of the biggest reason for players quitting the game and not returning. The lack of an in-game AH is causing PoE to hemorrhage players and is holding this game back.

Further, do to the /wink/wink nature of poe.trade, the use of the officially supported 3rd party AH is not universal. This creates disadvantages for the players who don't look to 3rd party websites for core game functions.

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

Now speaking on the behalf of GGG is a special way to show "how good player are You" or something else ?!

I don't think so. It's really the time peoples to stop speaking on behalf of GGG once for all.

Thus that something is not implemented yet, does not means at all that they do NOT wanna implement it at all.
It means that it is NOT YET IMPLEMENTED. That's it.

You know if you read post on reddit and the forums over time you would easily know they've said multiple times they won't add an AH in this game.


If you read the trade thing, they specifically said they are working on API improvements that will be released in ascendancy.


You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about just because it isn't implemented doesn't mean they don't want to or will, they've made statements you could find them if you looked.

@wrathmar

a yes its not a trade thread without you claiming that poe.trade is something it isn't.

When the OP said AH and the problems he is having its a clear indication that he wants the automated style, not the integrated marketplace we've discussed in the past. But I guess here you are posting in yet another thread thread, trying to claim it is something it isn't.

As far as knowledge goes, search poe trade, poe marketplace, or any combination of poe and terms used in trading and poe.trade is the first result. Ask in global chat, poe.trade will come up. Not disagreeing that they eventually need to integrate a search and list method in game, but calling it an AH is, as we've discussed improper terminology and leads to confusion and conflict. Why you continue to use this incorrect terminology is beyond my understanding, unless you actually want an automated solution and just trying to be subtle about pushing it.

This i fears the most - giving freedom to third party software to access in-game stuff.
It is already a complete NIGHTMARE putting items on some web site trough third party software.
I am strongly against it.
Encapsulating is better in order to prevent trolling outside the game - where none have rights neither can do anything about it, and here we are speaking about the economy which making the things even worse.

They also made posts about how fun 'loot tension' is, but that was changed after player insistence.

With changes to the API and cross instance trading, peo.trade will become that much closer to a fully automated AH.

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SonicPLD2 wrote:

This i fears the most - giving freedom to third party software to access in-game stuff.
It is already a complete NIGHTMARE putting items on some web site trough third party software.
I am strongly against it.
Encapsulating is better in order to prevent trolling outside the game - where none have rights neither can do anything about it, and here we are speaking about the economy which making the things even worse.

This is why people need to educate themselves on how the system works, before you can suggest or argue a topic you must have an understanding.

You list the items HERE on the official forums, under the trading ones, either shop or specific item list. Nothing you do is ever directly submitted to the 3rd party site, that information is "pulled" by the index API.

In terms of listing on here, the easiest way is acquisition, its a 3rd party program that watching a ~5 min video will show you how to get working properly. Worth noting that the session ID is the most secure way and only allows access to post on the forums in your behalf. Instructions on how to get a session id for the programs are around.

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They also made posts about how fun 'loot tension' is, but that was changed after player insistence.

With changes to the API and cross instance trading, peo.trade will become that much closer to a fully automated AH.

The difference of loot tension and AH is very few people really wanted loot tension to remain. There are people in this community that will leave 100% if automatic trading on a large scale was implemented, an AH as most people call it.


Cross instance just means you don't have to be in the persons hideout, that doesn't do anything "special" or different.

The a-synchronis trading, if not limited will create an AH like envoirment, which is why i've stated multiple times that sort of system HAS to be limited, it should be used in extreme measures not be the main measure.

@goetzjam

You know what creates confusion? Using a 3rd party website to fulfill core game functionality.

If GGG is concerned about confusing players they would have pulled the 3rd party AH into the game long ago. And yes we have had this conversation before, and again, I'm using the generic term AH because that is the generic term for a trading system in an online game.

That is the same reason everyone uses the term AH. Not because they want an actually auction house with bids, and an auctioneer, but because any in game trading system is referred as an AH by default (thanks WoW).