[2.1][Video] 150 Fire Res Reduction Oro's Sacrifice Flicker

English is not my first language. Hope all of you can understand.

This build is completely based on buffs from 2.1! Not upgrade from 1.3/2.0

Overview

90 Level

-4.8k Life
-9.5k Armour
-Maximum 150 Fire resistance reduction on enemy!
-63k Dps with 6 Frenzy Charge and Flame golem (5L)
-Immune to stun
-Instant life leech
-Super fast clearing speed
-Super easy to play
-Elemental Reflect is not a problem compared with other Oro's Sacrifice build









I start playing POE since last months, i am still very new here. Please feel free to comment and help me improve my build.

Reserved

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

If you are gonna copy someone else's build, make at least sure your own version isn't really bad. Just a small tip for your future builds.

Haha, thanks for your comments. I read your build and saw many arguments in your post about effectiveness of your passive tree and build.

I just want to share my build which make use of 2 buffs in 2.1

1.Curses aura
2.New Life and Mana Leech nodes

My build concentrate on fire resistance reduction and use vaal pact to deal with elemental reflect.
I don't think my 5L build is really bad compared with your 6L build. It don't rely on 20% chance to get 50% more damage with shock.According to your post your default damage have 4917 X 5.03 = 24732 (it maybe old stats). My flicker @91 level have 5323 X 6.54 = 34812 Dps without any aura/golem.

34812/24732 = 140%

It is 40% more damage all the time.In addition my build have 6 frenzy charge while you have 4 only.I have one more curse.

The calculation may be wrong as you didnt show your level in your post and you keep changing your passive tree all the time.

I post some question in your build too. For example,I really don't understand why you kill all bandits in Cruel to get extra point and get two +4% attack speed near the start of duelist. Please take a look.

If you are unhappy about a "Similar" build. I apologize for that.

I am still very new to POE and this forum too. Is it not welcome to post a so called "COPY" build using same unique sword only?

Sorry for my bad english if you can't understand. Please forgive me as english is not my first language.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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underworldx114 wrote:

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

If you are gonna copy someone else's build, make at least sure your own version isn't really bad. Just a small tip for your future builds.

Haha, thanks for your comments. I read your build and saw many arguments in your post about effectiveness of your passive tree and build.

I just want to share my build which make use of 2 buffs in 2.1

1.Curses aura
2.New Life and Mana Leech nodes

My build concentrate on fire resistance reduction and use vaal pact to deal with elemental reflect.
I don't think my 5L build is really bad compared with your 6L build. It don't rely on 20% chance to get 50% more damage with shock.According to your post your default damage have 4917 X 5.03 = 24732 (it maybe old stats). My flicker @91 level have 5323 X 6.54 = 34812 Dps without any aura/golem.

34812/24732 = 140%

It is 40% more damage all the time.In addition my build have 6 frenzy charge while you have 4 only.I have one more curse.

The calculation may be wrong as you didnt show your level in your post and you keep changing your passive tree all the time.

I post some question in your build too. For example,I really don't understand why you kill all bandits in Cruel to get extra point and get two +4% attack speed near the start of duelist. Please take a look.

If you are unhappy about a "Similar" build. I apologize for that.

I am still very new to POE and this forum too. Is it not welcome to post a "COPY" build using same unique sword only?

Sorry for my bad english if you can't understand. Please forgive me as english is not my first language.

You used similar wording in your post. Which is why I picked up on that. I apologize if I upset you, just look at it from my point of view.

Anyways, those stats are lvl 70 Duelist (not 91) and that Three Dragons setup might change again. As you said yourself, I keep changing stuff. Because I have to. I think about it at least once a day and sometimes I have new stuff I want to add or old stuff I want to remove. Pretty normal.

Also, I suggest you focus more on some life regen nodes and don't invest into Vaal Pact but Life Leech Rate. The amount of Life returned can be exceeded to the amount of leech you get from Vaal Pact. Also, Blood Rage doesn't work with this build either. It's Physical Damage Leech and that little Attack Speed you get from it does not justify a 4% HP degen.

I use vaal pact mainly because elemental reflect and never care large pack of mobs. I tried normal regen build before. A single rare mobs with elemental reflect can kill you easily. Vaal Pact give you more time to react. If i die due to rare ele reflect mobs with ~5 k hp, normal regen build need more than 10k hp.I know blood rage leech physical only. It is why i suggest low level for short duration and get max frenzy charge faster and speed up in low tier map.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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underworldx114 wrote:

I use vaal pact mainly because elemental reflect and never care large pack of mobs. I tried normal regen build before. A single rare mobs with elemental reflect can kill you easily. Vaal Pact give you more time to react. If i die due to rare ele reflect mobs with ~5 k hp, normal regen build need more than 10k hp.I know blood rage leech physical only. It is why i suggest low level for short duration and get max frenzy charge faster and speed up in low tier map.

Again, you don't need Vaal Pact. I can run reflect Maps just fine with only 1 (!) Ruby Flask. That's all you will ever need. Going for more Attack Speed on a build that does not scale that well with Attack Speed is pointless. You can Flicker faster and technically get more DPS out of it. Is it worth it? I say no. You can only attack 3 times per Frenzy Charge anyway, so you might as well just scale the damage you hit with during those 3 attacks instead of just going more Attacks per second. And the faster the Flicker is, the harder it gets to keep control. I went this route a long time ago. Didn't turn out so well because of said reasons. This time around it works fine.

EDIT: What I also wonder: Where is your Ignite Chance? You seem to have very low Ignite chance overall. And why use 2 sets of Flicker? For Fortify? Meh, not worth it. That chest is also a bad choice. It doesn't give you much. Just go with raw HP. Scales better with this build.

Ignite chance 13% + 27% (2% from jewel).
Just check boss fight in my Necropolis video. I think my ignite chance is high enough to keep using flicker strike.Using oro like Frenzy skill, we never get more than one frenzy charge in 1 attack (3 attacks with multi). 40% is pretty high i got 1-0.4^3=78% to get a frenzy charge per frenzy usage on a single target. It is pointless to get very high ignite chance

Unlike other build using bloodrage/ blood dance to generate frenzy charge, we don't need to kill within 3 attacks to generate frenzy charge. Using oro don't care to spend charge. Why don't we invest some points on attack speed? The effectiveness of stacking damage is very low if you got 250%+ increased damage. Every 10% increased damage = 4%. The second flicker strike for fortify and end charge. You can get 2/3 end charge easily with one single hit. Fortify gives 20% reduced Damage Taken from Hits and 4% Physical Damage Reduction per Endurance Charge. I think it is worth! It won't slow down cycle.

Raw hp is good for life regen build. Not my build.
High hp = higher regen = higher life leech.
It seems Geisalt change your mind finally! :D
Just don't get one shot and everything is fine.

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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underworldx114 wrote:

I use vaal pact mainly because elemental reflect and never care large pack of mobs. I tried normal regen build before. A single rare mobs with elemental reflect can kill you easily. Vaal Pact give you more time to react. If i die due to rare ele reflect mobs with ~5 k hp, normal regen build need more than 10k hp.I know blood rage leech physical only. It is why i suggest low level for short duration and get max frenzy charge faster and speed up in low tier map.

Again, you don't need Vaal Pact. I can run reflect Maps just fine with only 1 (!) Ruby Flask. That's all you will ever need. Going for more Attack Speed on a build that does not scale that well with Attack Speed is pointless. You can Flicker faster and technically get more DPS out of it. Is it worth it? I say no. You can only attack 3 times per Frenzy Charge anyway, so you might as well just scale the damage you hit with during those 3 attacks instead of just going more Attacks per second. And the faster the Flicker is, the harder it gets to keep control. I went this route a long time ago. Didn't turn out so well because of said reasons. This time around it works fine.

EDIT: What I also wonder: Where is your Ignite Chance? You seem to have very low Ignite chance overall. And why use 2 sets of Flicker? For Fortify? Meh, not worth it. That chest is also a bad choice. It doesn't give you much. Just go with raw HP. Scales better with this build.

1 Fuby Flask run reflect map?

For example if a mobs have 16% elemental reflect and you have 76% resistance
86% With Fuby Flask

Damage Reflect:
Life regen build with Fuby Flask:
16% X (100-86%) = 2.24%

Vaal Pact without Fuby Flask:
16% X (100-75%) = 4%

Life Leech:
Without Vaal Pact: ~0%
Vaal Pact:2% (instantly)

Total Reflect Damage:
Without Vaal Pact:2.24%
Vaal Pact:2%

How can you run elemental reflect map? It is ok if you just hit and wait life regen and hit again
Assume you can get 30 charge easily.
Even you add life leech gem and warlord's mark won't help much. You still need hit and wait life regen. How about boss fight?

I think you are very weak in mathematics and game mechanism.

In fact i am happy to discuss with you although we have different preferences. Good luck!

Nice guide, you seem to know what ur doing and talking about!

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

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underworldx114 wrote:

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

If you are gonna copy someone else's build, make at least sure your own version isn't really bad. Just a small tip for your future builds.

Haha, thanks for your comments. I read your build and saw many arguments in your post about effectiveness of your passive tree and build.

I just want to share my build which make use of 2 buffs in 2.1

1.Curses aura
2.New Life and Mana Leech nodes

My build concentrate on fire resistance reduction and use vaal pact to deal with elemental reflect.
I don't think my 5L build is really bad compared with your 6L build. It don't rely on 20% chance to get 50% more damage with shock.According to your post your default damage have 4917 X 5.03 = 24732 (it maybe old stats). My flicker @91 level have 5323 X 6.54 = 34812 Dps without any aura/golem.

34812/24732 = 140%

It is 40% more damage all the time.In addition my build have 6 frenzy charge while you have 4 only.I have one more curse.

The calculation may be wrong as you didnt show your level in your post and you keep changing your passive tree all the time.

I post some question in your build too. For example,I really don't understand why you kill all bandits in Cruel to get extra point and get two +4% attack speed near the start of duelist. Please take a look.

If you are unhappy about a "Similar" build. I apologize for that.

I am still very new to POE and this forum too. Is it not welcome to post a "COPY" build using same unique sword only?

Sorry for my bad english if you can't understand. Please forgive me as english is not my first language.

You used similar wording in your post. Which is why I picked up on that. I apologize if I upset you, just look at it from my point of view.

Anyways, those stats are lvl 70 Duelist (not 91) and that Three Dragons setup might change again. As you said yourself, I keep changing stuff. Because I have to. I think about it at least once a day and sometimes I have new stuff I want to add or old stuff I want to remove. Pretty normal.

Also, I suggest you focus more on some life regen nodes and don't invest into Vaal Pact but Life Leech Rate. The amount of Life returned can be exceeded to the amount of leech you get from Vaal Pact. Also, Blood Rage doesn't work with this build either. It's Physical Damage Leech and that little Attack Speed you get from it does not justify a 4% HP degen.

Vaal pact is interresting in an HEAVY fire damage build, his idea is good, his build is interresting and i like the idea to push curses further.

Actually, with my 240 000 dps flicker strike (10K avg dmg *8 aps tooltip, 30% shock chance and 130% ele penetration, 80K*2*1.5) I 6 shot my 6000 hp char on ele reflect monster WHILE USING RUBY FLASK, IT'S JUST HOW BIG MY HITS ARE. So my char is dead with 2 flickers activation, if i'm not carefull i'm dead.
If you sustain your own reflect... it means only one thing, low damage! (not a bad thing in this case, it saves your life).


Captainlord, you do not have 130-160 fire penetration in your build, so you cannot know what it means to reach such high reflect.

Also, vaal pact life leech is always more powerfull than regen + slow life leech if you have a good dps/low hp pool, because normal life leech is restricted by a maximum leech rate.
Thoo the downside of vaal pact is huge.







For the big ignite chance, i disagree. 60% is the bar minimum for me, otherwise when uncharged we can go in a pack and fail the ignite proc, then we can't continuously flicker. It can kill you. 22% chance to fail when uncharged is problematic.

Also oro's cares about charges, because of the frenzy buff, each charge gives 4% More damage and attack speed. Okey it's not that big, but it's still better to be full, is not it? I know i know, if you maximize the charge efficiency by increasing ignite chances... you have to sacrifice a lot of stuff in return. BUT! as i said, 22% chance to not get a first charge when uncharged, leading to fail the flicker spam... when you addition both, ignite chance has it's use.

If you have one charge it's generally ok, if the used charge fails to generate a charge, the normal cooldown of flicker will trigger then you will get the charge back. ( well you can be unlucky two times, it happens, i have tried c_c, it's rarer).

But this little 22% chance to fail can be tricky and i cant bet on luck only ;)


I use blooddance instead of blood rage but i understand why you picked this gem, it seems counter productive but more AS+charges cant hurt.















ah, captainwarlod, one thing: You are the 1311117+988+299124646 dude who makes a normal flicker strike oro's build (filled with some unoptimized stuff but things improve). He is the only one (i think) who tried to use vaal pact with oro's. how the fuck is it a copy?

Or did you mean that you copied my build captain? Cuz my build has a flicker strike variant incorporated even if everything is doable with it.
240K flicker strike, sustained no trick no cheat, full charges aura golem, without blood rage, with 6K hp, life leech and huge regen.

I posted it first. Dude.

Anyway, to come back to the topic, imma look at the tree and all then see if i have an advice or two.

For your 6L, faster attack could give you a 55% as on top of your total of 88%, so with the 1.44 oros AS it makes 4.9 BASE AS instead of 4.1.
FASTER ATTACK WILL GIVE YOU 1.6 AS (with Multistrike), you already have 9.35...
Yeah, it's 17.2% More, the gem can be replaced with something else.
Chance to ignite? Nop?

With a 6L you could use added cold damage gem instead of faster attack and equip Pyre ring
http://pathofexile.gamepedia.com/Pyre

It would increases the flat fire damage by 125-188. 156.5 base fire.
Also pyre destroys ignited bodies, it's awesome against skele/necros. Plus it increases the burning damage by 30+% which is nice for your setup because you dont have a lot of pure % elem increase, 46%

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As a damage over time effect, Ignite's damage can be affected positively or negatively by some damage modifiers. Notably, modifiers to spell damage and attack damage (also often referred to as damage with x weapon) do not apply to Ignite as Ignite is not a spell or attack.[2] The following modifiers will directly affect the damage of Ignite; note that some of these modifiers apply only to the Ignite whereas some may also apply to the skill that triggered it:

Damage over Time modifiers
Burning Damage modifiers
Damage modifiers
Fire Damage modifiers
Elemental Damage modifiers
Area Damage modifiers if applied by an Area skill
Projectile Damage modifiers if applied by a Projectile skill
Trap Damage modifiers if applied by a Trap
Mine Damage modifiers if applied by a Mine
Totem Damage modifiers if applied by a Totem
Minion Damage modifiers if applied by a Minion

Let's see: your base avg damage = oro's 677 + flat fire gear 35 = 712

I dont know if it's a good setup but it doesn't hurt to test, 156 BASE average damage is awesome and you have already a lot of attack speed on your gear/tree.
It's an increase of 22% More.

...but you lose a ring, but you can find an amulet, one ring and gloves with fire damage AND cold damage because of pyre ring. It seems interresting.

Also you can try the now "famous" already mentionned Three dragon + innervate gem, with 25% shock it's very cool, it worths it against bosses. Really. Well again you lose a bit by removing the hat. 25% of the time, at 9 attack speed..against vmonsters with a lot of hp/bosses, shock will be constantly applied. And against packs, it will destroy them sometimes, giving you ONSLAUGHT to run faster and kill the next pack faster.


It's very cool to see bronn's lithe, an unloved armor. Oro's main attack as a 6L why not, +2 on flicker cant be bad. ... Well it lacks HP. +3.6%More damage, 50% increased + 10% attack speed, it worths it.


In the end, i'm unsure about my first suggestion, the requirements are problematic ( loss of a ring, getting fire+cold items for full potential).

In your case The Three dragon innervate combo is golden.
I like your build and yours choices, it's straight forward and efficient, it has not the best DPS but the survability seems good for an oro's flicker strike build without kaom or lightning coil.
bronn's lithe is a great choice !!!
I dont notice "errors" or things to change, look like the way you did it is the right way to do it, for a vaal pact oro's :) ... Just the chance to ignite which is VERY dangerous and random for my tastes, 22% chance to fail against the first pack, your choice ;)

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CaptainWARLORD wrote:

And Vaal Pact is in fact the worst route you can go. Like I said, not the first time I play this kind of build. Reason being, Vaal Pact allows you to leech instantly. Which can be useful in a lot of situations. Downside is, you do not regenerate life and you can't benefit from Life Leech Rate. But the biggest issue: Leech applies before reflect. This is why you die to it.

Dafuck, It's because full leech applies before reflect that vaal pact saves a life.

First hit, full life no leech->reflect->lose hp
second hit, leech a big amount->reflect->lose hp
repeat.

If you oneshot yourself it doesnt save you, but otherwise it does. Far better than normal life leech.

I do not use vaalpact, i have a 500 hp/s regen char with 6K hp and 2% LL. And I DIE ULTRA FAST to reflect because of my insane DPS, no amount of LL/regen could save me. NADA. My only solution is to be carefull but VAAL PACT COULD SAVE ME IF I HAD IT. CUZ INSTA HEAL BASED ON FULL DPS. I have both, huge dps and huge regen/LL/HP, it's not enough.

Your build deals 90K-100K dps with shock and firepene at best captain. Mine has 240K, more than 2.6x DPS so i take 2.6x reflect damage. Make sense right? if you take 1000 i take 2600!
If you take 3 reflect, 3000... me i'm overkilled!

underworldx114 gave you the maths, dont be blind. His way works, and it has more dps than your build with a better damage reduction against reflect but huge vulnerability against bleed or when he cant attack -chill?(fixed with a potion) also he can run chaos cloud maps with his chaos resistance and potions.

It's also not my first flicker strike char, i have played more than 2K hours on my two handed flicker atziri disfavour, i have rebuilded it a lot of times, tried a lot of things and setups... We arent here to see who has the biggest but! we know ours facts.

Hop a new post for something important to test!

near vaal pact you havea jewel node, and near the jewel node you have the TRAP NODES, thoses trap nodes , if they work with fireborn jewel... could give: 48% fire damage for 4 points (jewel counted) it's not bad, not ultimate, valuable. Then it also allow the use of the chaos nodes for a total of 54% fire increased and 12 chaos res with 4 points.

Of course i dont know what to remove for thoses nodes and you lose the jewel slot which could give 26% fire increased (melee damage + fire damage + random bonuses/ 7%life/attackspeed)


Maybe for the level 100! è_é

Ok...

Dumb idea i'm tired, nothing to remove in the build for thoses nodes.