[2.4] Thor's Thunderblunt Mjölner Discharge (Uber & Shaper Viable)

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stratx wrote:

Hey, thanks for the guide. I am building it in Talisman, levelling up as facebreaker cyclone. Almost level 60. I had a question maybe you can answer..

If we have a +1 Endurance charge Magnate do we still help oak and get the extra one in the tree?

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I would still help Oak, because endurance charges are superior for our build defenses. You could help Alira if you want though, the difference will be fairly minimal.

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Sirfar wrote:

What do you Rexire think about Vessel of Vinktar flask ? Is it good for our build ? Looks great on paper.

Vessel of Vinktar looks amazing with the absolutely insane life leech if you are wearing acuities, so the flask can definitely be good. Although, I would rather stick with Surgeon's Flasks for the 100% uptime and Vinktar's leech is unneccesary as Kingsguard will be more than enough.

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Nightlines wrote:

Loving the build at the moment, but have a question about Arc and Ball Lightning: Which situation would Ball Lightning be more optimal in? High level map bosses and Ubers for the flask procs?

Arc is much better for clearing packs in maps, but Ball Lightning is better in boss fights and situations where you absolutely need to guarantee 100% flask uptime. As you correctly stated, Ball Lightning procs many more times filling up our flasks very quickly.

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Gunitiwa wrote:

Hey man, I would love to see this build in action, can you get a video up of it?

Also i checked the Templar tree, your gear and jewels. You don't have enough int to run the build? Assuming you are Templar the build gets to 250 int.

I would also love to see stats of your character without flasks and all the temporary buffs, just sitting in hideout or something :)

I'm currently recording videos for Atziri and certain boss fights, I will upload them as soon as I get a chance!

I receive a lot of intelligence from Atziri's Acuities, but that intelligence can easily be supplemented on boots, ring, or even passive node/jewel. The only truly temporary buff is Atziri's Promise as the Surgeon's Flask are literally up 100% of the time. Without any buffs or flasks I believe my physical reduction is 70%, and resistances 87/80/86. Damage numbers are redundant as charges tend to fluctuate, that was just a screen shot of maximum possible damage per discharge.

So I'm 83 with this build and having a lot of fun with it. I leveled up with Bladefall, so thanks for that tip.

I do have some questions. I still feel a bit squishy. For a lot of fights, I do have to hit and run rather than face tank them, but I'm also doing this in Talisman SC without a Voll's Devotion. Elemental reflect on maps wrecks me, too. How do you deal with it? Is Voll's Devotion necessary to create the sustain to withstand elemental reflect?

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DuncanMcDonuts wrote:

So I'm 83 with this build and having a lot of fun with it. I leveled up with Bladefall, so thanks for that tip.

I do have some questions. I still feel a bit squishy. For a lot of fights, I do have to hit and run rather than face tank them, but I'm also doing this in Talisman SC without a Voll's Devotion. Elemental reflect on maps wrecks me, too. How do you deal with it? Is Voll's Devotion necessary to create the sustain to withstand elemental reflect?

Unfortunately, in order to brainlessly facetank everything we require the Voll's Devotion to give those beautiful Endurance Charges to our Kingsguard. Until you can get your hands on one, I recommend using a Lightning Coil instead of Kingsguard and try to safely hit and run efficiently. Remember to keep your flasks up as much as possible, and run life leech in your Mjolner.

Update: Atziri, Queen of the Vaal video has been added.

I'm working on a budget/not lagging version of this build NOT using Voll's devotion.
Since Mjölners prices dropped to 1 ex, i think i can call it a "budget" version.

Here some thoughts:

- NON Crit Build. Would safe a lot of skill points and make us more flexible regarding the gear. Additionally we dont loose any power charges due to a critical strike.
Why non crit? Resolute Technique - Hits Can't be evaded ! Very nice

- Is it really necessary that we have another lightning skill such as arc or ball lightning socketed in our Mjöner? I'd love to link increased area of effect/concentraded effect for bosses and Life leech

- if we use lightning strike with GMP, we should hit many targets to proc discharge. Is it enough?

- another great benefit of Lightning strike is "Vessel of Vinktar" flask to have a lot of life/mana leech up all the time (not only when discharge procs)

here's my skilltree:

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEAjM89_FhjxthfP_ZI7w4UIKIA8B9o8q9sC2HGrq4-Z5vkUVBHwGYEs_GsKS58uBo-z36tjdlhVw3qGHasfNn3MoIH8kHSIdl8n8unMJ7NvqdlTb02R36E2QHcNugB54O2JwuG0e9O029Gt0CgXhMFLXrvKaV08SFgMft_45o74XOCm9Wm7TwsnBEtfIPr7jLRRUd2ERBYMjTk7B8COlhVxoPbBAdMs1AwIG4XL_rSVdZk54Ck42oWb-_r0B87DREPjRl-r92M2V_gEuQiGmwkqjbpGlXawXTthO9hIWSj

What do you think?

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Rexire wrote:

Unfortunately, in order to brainlessly facetank everything we require the Voll's Devotion to give those beautiful Endurance Charges to our Kingsguard. Until you can get your hands on one, I recommend using a Lightning Coil instead of Kingsguard and try to safely hit and run efficiently. Remember to keep your flasks up as much as possible, and run life leech in your Mjolner.

Alright. I guess I'll be farming Voll until 100 :D. Already farmed one card, 7 more to go! This build is really fun to play and thank you for making it, I just wish it wasn't so dependent on Voll's Devotion to run higher maps.

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Pupalaka wrote:

I'm working on a budget/not lagging version of this build NOT using Voll's devotion.
Since Mjölners prices dropped to 1 ex, i think i can call it a "budget" version.

Here some thoughts:

- NON Crit Build. Would safe a lot of skill points and make us more flexible regarding the gear. Additionally we dont loose any power charges due to a critical strike.
Why non crit? Resolute Technique - Hits Can't be evaded ! Very nice

- Is it really necessary that we have another lightning skill such as arc or ball lightning socketed in our Mjöner? I'd love to link increased area of effect/concentraded effect for bosses and Life leech

- if we use lightning strike with GMP, we should hit many targets to proc discharge. Is it enough?

- another great benefit of Lightning strike is "Vessel of Vinktar" flask to have a lot of life/mana leech up all the time (not only when discharge procs)

here's my skilltree:

https://poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEAjM89_FhjxthfP_ZI7w4UIKIA8B9o8q9sC2HGrq4-Z5vkUVBHwGYEs_GsKS58uBo-z36tjdlhVw3qGHasfNn3MoIH8kHSIdl8n8unMJ7NvqdlTb02R36E2QHcNugB54O2JwuG0e9O029Gt0CgXhMFLXrvKaV08SFgMft_45o74XOCm9Wm7TwsnBEtfIPr7jLRRUd2ERBYMjTk7B8COlhVxoPbBAdMs1AwIG4XL_rSVdZk54Ck42oWb-_r0B87DREPjRl-r92M2V_gEuQiGmwkqjbpGlXawXTthO9hIWSj

What do you think?

Non-crit builds lose the ability to gain flask charges all the time, which is quite a big part of being invincible. Lightning Strike definitely means a lot more procs, LMP can be replaced if you really want to - although LMP should be swapped in for boss fights to help boost Molten Strike.

As for Vessel of Vinktar, Lightning Strike won't do nearly enough damage for the life leech to be useful - only the Discharge and other lightning spell will provide good leech.

Replacing the second lightning skill with another support gem will greatly reduce your clear speed, especially since you already don't have a Voll's Devotion for endurance charges. An Arc, Ball Lightning, or Shock Nova would be much more beneficial.

For your tree, without Voll's Devotion try and pick up one more Power Charge and help Alira in merciless. With a non-legacy Mjolner you will have more time to build up charges inbetween Discharge since it will proc less.

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DuncanMcDonuts wrote:

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Rexire wrote:

Unfortunately, in order to brainlessly facetank everything we require the Voll's Devotion to give those beautiful Endurance Charges to our Kingsguard. Until you can get your hands on one, I recommend using a Lightning Coil instead of Kingsguard and try to safely hit and run efficiently. Remember to keep your flasks up as much as possible, and run life leech in your Mjolner.

Alright. I guess I'll be farming Voll until 100 :D. Already farmed one card, 7 more to go! This build is really fun to play and thank you for making it, I just wish it wasn't so dependent on Voll's Devotion to run higher maps.

I'm glad you enjoy it! My friend was able to clear normal Atziri without a Voll's Devotion, but you have to play safer. Adding life gain on hit in your chest piece could also help you quite a bit with gaining back life, but you sacrifice utility for Molten Strike. Possibly put Fortify on Leap Slam to open up a link in your chest.

is this build hardcore viable? it doesnt look too tanky with only 4,3k life

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Vinc009 wrote:

is this build hardcore viable? it doesnt look too tanky with only 4,3k life

Most definitely, with the insane sustain and overcapped resistances you are near invincible. Please note that this build should have over 5,000 life. I prioritized damage or life and I am only at level 90. If you start as a Marauder and take the life nodes before damage you will have much more life than my character.

Ok thanks

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Rexire wrote:

I will try an make a leveling guide for this as soon as possible.

I guess you forgot about that? :P could you at least make level 60/70 trees please? i dont really know which path to take first.