Blade vortex is broken

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Rupenus wrote:

exploit the broken, thats what we have left in pvp.

if i were you, i'd get leap slam disfavour + RT build with damage over time nodes. leap slam's damage is not reworked in pvp.

I dont understand why you dont exploit whats broken(except EA please) and fit yourself in the meta(so called).


you guys sound like religious people who believe there is a universal justice and divine plan.

So forget build diversity for pvp and play the 3-4 meta broken ones instead? So much fun and interesting :/

1 shot is also no fun, at all.

It raise weak people ego but deep inside there is no strategy, no planned victory.

Just wrap/leap then see the guy or yourself die.
Shoot off-screen and fwap on the random kills you do without even knowing where was your targets.

I watched the UFC and seen Mcgregor 1 shot Aldo.

Made me think about POE.
1 year hype and everything goes into 13 seconds one shot. At least the card was nice... Unlike POE where even the rest of the card (PVE) is casual as fuck nowadays.

Not gonna play pvp 2.1 personally, not even arena and will probably erase this game if next patch is a Crap fest of OP stupid shit.

I also started playing those games Mulla and others mentioned and some are really more interesting than Poe for pvp.

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Also

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYVEkm3cwzU&feature=youtu.be

Level 13 gem in a 79 map. lololo

Exactly

Wait til people start seeing Essence Drain in PvP. It's the most broken degen this game has ever seen next to old RF.

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MullaXul wrote:

Exactly

Wait til people start seeing Essence Drain in PvP. It's the most broken degen this game has ever seen next to old RF.

haha yeah, a guy was one shotting me with 5l pledge, self found gear yesterday in arena. i have 5k life, to handle the degen, i used like x2 full divine flasks with full recovery on low life affix but that wasnt enough.

15k degen in 2-3 seconds. it was also just lvl 13 gem.

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Rupenus wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Exactly

Wait til people start seeing Essence Drain in PvP. It's the most broken degen this game has ever seen next to old RF.

haha yeah, a guy was one shotting me with 5l pledge, self found gear yesterday in arena. i have 5k life, to handle the degen, i used like x2 full divine flasks with full recovery on low life affix but that wasnt enough.

15k degen in 2-3 seconds. it was also just lvl 13 gem.

edge of madness is also a possibility with it...

I will probably test both vortex blade and essense drain so i can come up with numbers using the best gear.

Couple sights on why blade vortex is extremely powerfull, it has mid range aoe, it has duration which follows you all the time unlike firestorm where you have to constantly recast in order to follow the enemy. Up to 50 blades per second circling around you and they ALL can crit, so i can only imagine someone with 500% multiplier and very good gear that such mechanics are too powerfull. Pair that with echo and fc and it's a recipe for a broken build, to me it looks pretty similar to the Degen potential of my old rf build which was killing 10k hp under 1.5 seconds, looking at the numbers on blade vortex;

58–87 lvl 21 gem blade vortex, physical is unmitigated unlike resistances.

177–265 lvl 21 firestorm, fire damage is mitigated by resistances so the x-y on storm gem is unnacurate, i actually think it comes pretty close to blade vortex unmitigated damage numbers.

So if i compare blade vortex to firestorm, blade vortex should be doing as much damage if not lower a bit per hit but blade vortex has MUCH more active hit probabilities than firestorm has and both can crit so i can only conclude on blade vortex achieving wayyy too high damage potential. Also blade vortex moves with you, with 21/20 duration gem it lasts for a good time so you can flicker multistrike on the enemy or even follow him with whirling blades or flame dash. Firestorm does not permit me to move along with my storm and i have way less active hit chances, i need to stand still and cast stack 3-4 storms to have more than 30 hit per seconds.


On an aproximation, i think blade vortex 21 with empower and conc can certainly get around 1.5-2.5 ~ min max damage, my storm has 4.2-5.2 min max, and both crits.

So imagine 1.5 per hit up to 50 hits per second on 500% multiplier.

The best way to deal with such builds would be a hard hitting tempest shield and high spell block, firestorm does pretty good against it too. just wait for them to get on you and they will die from ur tempest and storm, also a good caster properly geared can use a simple tweak with molten shell, if you have enough damage you literally dont need a lvl 21 one. You can simply use a lvl 15 molten settup cwdt to make it detonate even more, the damage is more than enough to kill the enemy. That's one of the upsides of having good gear, make molten detonate twice as much by decreasing the level and if you have good gear the damage should still be enough. I have seen many caster think that a lvl 21 molten is the best but it's really not the case.

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Rupenus wrote:

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MullaXul wrote:

Exactly

Wait til people start seeing Essence Drain in PvP. It's the most broken degen this game has ever seen next to old RF.

haha yeah, a guy was one shotting me with 5l pledge, self found gear yesterday in arena. i have 5k life, to handle the degen, i used like x2 full divine flasks with full recovery on low life affix but that wasnt enough.

15k degen in 2-3 seconds. it was also just lvl 13 gem.

Probably the same guy I fought in queue. I couldn't even get near him as melee, had to EA him and avoid getting hit at all. I ended up winning but if I was to guess he had Pledge, controlled destruction,LMP and curse on hit vulnerability at the very least.

Or you can shoot them from afar, be just carefull to be out Cwdt/FD range tough as it would mean insta rip.

On another subject, I tried RF again (was disapointed that the new dot support Rapid Decay don't work with it but it may be a bug) with 20/20 EW/Flamability on blasphemy + EE on 7k life mara with RF linked to 20/20 increase burning and Concentrated.



EDIT : I also saw the essence drain dude, he was one shooting me wit it. Had to do insane micro to got him from afar with ST. It has the potential to be the new CA of pvp (still hard countered by CI so i guess it's ok).

lv 15 Essence Drain

Back to blade vortex, the crit base is 6%.

I actually think with such a fast hitting skill the base crit chance should be considerably lower since you have a ton more chances to roll it due to how many hits land.

The base crit should be maximum 5% if not less.

I have pretty high feeling that this skill will receive a nerf for pve seeing as how many players just trash content on talisman with this skill right now, would be interested in seeing the final stats for this skill and how they tweak it down.

100% getting a nerf in pve by next months or before. The skill is just too strong :D