[2.4 Trickster] Grocery's Caustic Arrow Trickster Shadow! HC Viable!

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veritaserum wrote:

lol tried same 6l setup(same tree) just get 18K dps in town, no way get next to 40 K ;)

where is the trick ?

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Belton wrote:

Yeah sorry Grocery, wasn't saying that to disparage your tooltip but rather in reponse to the person who was asking how its possible to hit 35k.
I collab talk to Dyg alot on TS re: PA (CA) theorycrafting, and while HP does give more dmg overall it does have its drawbacks-

Can also confirm that it is indeed more expensive in most cases to roll that gear if you cant find it on poe.trade, as there is little room for variance and getting t1/t1 takes a ton of alts (and in the right res combinations).

Have been considering dropping the chest HP slot to run kaoms however, as that would bring the build to around 6500 life, this being with Ubers in mind, wherein the benefits of lightning coil are slightly lower (Vaals are by far the hardest fight for PA).

2 dmg mod Jewels + life are also quite expensive (1-3ex generally) which doesnt seem like a ton- but compared to most builds its insanely expensive for a 3 mod jewel, not to mention you should be runnning several of them (at least 4), particularly with HP as you will have a ton of flat life from gear so its important to get the life %-- similarly, additional dmg has greater benefit now as a result of all the supports being "more multipliers" (with the exception of empower, of course).

certainly merits to both approaches, on the whole damage isnt much of an issue so its just managing your defensive stats and mobility that is problematic.

As a final note CA's current theoretical maximum tooltip is approximately 41k without rallying cry and Conc effect taken into consideration. This is assuming 2 dmg mod jewels and life, and not 3 dmg mod jewels as those are next to unobtainable in leagues, also with the tree at level ~90.

Can +/- that figure for personal choices (if you decide to forego some defensive stats to pick up ranger proj nodes for example), however on the whole- Caustic arrow does more damage than it did previously, so it is in a pretty good spot.

Would suggest swapping out conc effect for rarity or inc aoe while mapping though- as we only obtain 55-65% pierce now while using drillneck, the multi cloud spreading is unreliable, moreover due to the new supports pushing inc aoe out of the norm, the cloud radius is quite small which can seriously hurt clear speeds while mapping. Even if you drop conc, one cloud is generally enough to kill mobs in most midtier->lower end high tier maps anyways (assuming you have ~20k cloud dps which is easily obtainable)

Fun build though and great guide! Always like to see different takes on it. Keep up the good work.

Belton

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JuicedG wrote:

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Belton wrote:

Yeah sorry Grocery, wasn't saying that to disparage your tooltip but rather in reponse to the person who was asking how its possible to hit 35k.
I collab talk to Dyg alot on TS re: PA (CA) theorycrafting, and while HP does give more dmg overall it does have its drawbacks-

Can also confirm that it is indeed more expensive in most cases to roll that gear if you cant find it on poe.trade, as there is little room for variance and getting t1/t1 takes a ton of alts (and in the right res combinations).

Have been considering dropping the chest HP slot to run kaoms however, as that would bring the build to around 6500 life, this being with Ubers in mind, wherein the benefits of lightning coil are slightly lower (Vaals are by far the hardest fight for PA).

2 dmg mod Jewels + life are also quite expensive (1-3ex generally) which doesnt seem like a ton- but compared to most builds its insanely expensive for a 3 mod jewel, not to mention you should be runnning several of them (at least 4), particularly with HP as you will have a ton of flat life from gear so its important to get the life %-- similarly, additional dmg has greater benefit now as a result of all the supports being "more multipliers" (with the exception of empower, of course).

certainly merits to both approaches, on the whole damage isnt much of an issue so its just managing your defensive stats and mobility that is problematic.

As a final note CA's current theoretical maximum tooltip is approximately 41k without rallying cry and Conc effect taken into consideration. This is assuming 2 dmg mod jewels and life, and not 3 dmg mod jewels as those are next to unobtainable in leagues, also with the tree at level ~90.

Can +/- that figure for personal choices (if you decide to forego some defensive stats to pick up ranger proj nodes for example), however on the whole- Caustic arrow does more damage than it did previously, so it is in a pretty good spot.

Would suggest swapping out conc effect for rarity or inc aoe while mapping though- as we only obtain 55-65% pierce now while using drillneck, the multi cloud spreading is unreliable, moreover due to the new supports pushing inc aoe out of the norm, the cloud radius is quite small which can seriously hurt clear speeds while mapping. Even if you drop conc, one cloud is generally enough to kill mobs in most midtier->lower end high tier maps anyways (assuming you have ~20k cloud dps which is easily obtainable)

Fun build though and great guide! Always like to see different takes on it. Keep up the good work.

Belton

How about swapping conc effect for pierce? I already have the drillneck anyway, pierce gives me 70% pierce chance which is 70% increased damage (with drillneck) right? How bad does conc effect hurt your clearspeed? I loved pierce since 1 arrow would poison the entire screen if you pulled a big group of mobs. Or maybe drop slower porjectiles and run pierce + conc effect?

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lms2720 wrote:

I'm wondering if anyone has a confirmation that Concentrated Effect actually work on Caustic Arrow's damage?
Cause I've been trying this build and when I equip the support, nothing changes on the tooltip numbers.
Is this a hidden thing or what?

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ViciousGhost wrote:

where u get your intelligence from, i have massive problems with mana and leveling up intelligence skills, im currently lvl59 and my stats are:

int: 68
strength: 74
dext: 308

i cant use clarity because i cant even lvl it to lvl2, how u get intelligence up to even lvl conc effect , and vulner, and how u dont rn out of mana ? i need a flask for every mob

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Grocery wrote:

As has been said multiple times in many CA threads, it DOES work :). It does not show up on the tooltip though. Test it for yourself it i a 60% MULTIPLIER, so things will die much faster. Tooltip doesn't include everything and can be deceiving for many builds.