who said MFs are weak? :D

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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krilox wrote:

What if the culler/mfer can do 150k dps? :P

again pointless...

my culler has 500 , 100 and does 100k .. drop in the bucket for the fella doing 800k which is sadly outclassed by the bow guy doing 70k because bows hit everything first .

if you truly have a efficient team in terms of speed . then one of them will do enough dps to carry your entire group while clearing trash instantly. and probably have another that does stupid single target.

damage numbers right now are so stupidly high that a culler could be doing 1 dps or 200k dps but if they arent one of those fast clearing builds .. they wont get a single damn lick in edge wise except on bosses maybe.


that is why i stopped playing in my guild's group. i was a quad cursing summoner in a group with a 800k dps coc and 80k split arrow archer. i watched netflix the entire damn time while those two carried a 6 man through everything. it is probably also kind of why i stopped playing 2 days later. (also warbands meh)

balance in this game is well and truly fucked.

I said 150k because of his comment that "insane players" or something have 150k+ dps and totems are hence bad for culling. I was making a point that as a culler, i can do those 150k myself. :)


And come on... we do agree.. 150k dps extra is a welcome 150k dps.

I too have team compositions of huge dps, cursers, vaal cycloner tanks and whatever. But not all the time :) Running a machine-like setup trivializing all content isnt fun honestly.

I like to solo, and those 150k help alot. I also often duo with my curser, and those 150k quickly get 220k+ :) I'm talking about versability. If i can push 150k dps, having full mf gear, and good clearing speed while enjoying the build, why not. :)

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nait2k4 wrote:

feed a small child to a hungry village of cannibals quite comfortably.

I LOL'd. :) well-played.

the thing is..

PPl with 150K DPS do ask for cullers, this is more fun of a game,

the build is not corrency dump, it can do all maps, have the DPS, and is powerful in MFing,

summoners are bad for parties, and totems are bad in culling blue's and rares in a high DPS party,

this one, can cull all and not weak like many MFs there are around,

if i'm good at getting money, what am i going to do with it tat interesting for me....

well, i playes ST in the good old days that can do all king of shit,

but i like to see 2-3 uniques in a map so i play MF :)

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Nasreth wrote:

I wouldn't call that build magic find, I'd call it a currency dump.

You've probably spent more on it than you'll ever generate from drops lol.

You never played mf didn't you ?

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MisterER wrote:

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Nasreth wrote:

I wouldn't call that build magic find, I'd call it a currency dump.

You've probably spent more on it than you'll ever generate from drops lol.

You never played mf didn't you ?

He is not wrong you know. that build is a large currency dump. please dont misconstrue being a currency dump with being a waste of currency. they are not the same thing. Do not be offended when people call your build a currency dump. that is not a bad thing in a game about burning time and money to make bigger and better characters.

having stupidly expensive things to spend money on is a core concept in any grindy game.

That being said spending that much money just to prove that MF builds are not weak is rather pointless.

spend that much money and most things become powerful. for the amount of money the op spent on that character i could outfit any bow character i have with about 400 iir and 30 - 50 iiq and still have the same clear speed as my normal gear. But that doesn't prove that my character is strong despite the mf gear it proves that the gear i use to compensate for the mf is strong.

fundamentally speaking all a good character needs to be mf is the ability to compensate for the shitty stats on certain mf items. And this requirement has lessened in recent years with the addition of things like ventors gamble.

now that that thing is in the game the days of needing to compensate for 2 andi rings are long gone and this could mean a difference of over 80 resist all gained for little to no loss of mf.


Lets put it this way. totem mf builds arent weak in end game becasue they are slow, totems builds are weak because they are slow. summoner mf builds arent weak because they are slow. summoner builds are weak because they are slow. melee mf builds arent weak because it makes them vulnerable. melee is just shit mf.

in all these cases mf is largely irrelevant , the good mf builds are good because they are also the best clearing builds at certain points in the game. And as a league progresses the standards for good mf builds change.

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Saltychipmunk wrote:

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MisterER wrote:

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Nasreth wrote:

I wouldn't call that build magic find, I'd call it a currency dump.

You've probably spent more on it than you'll ever generate from drops lol.

You never played mf didn't you ?

He is not wrong you know. that build is a large currency dump. please dont misconstrue being a currency dump with being a waste of currency. they are not the same thing. Do not be offended when people call your build a currency dump. that is not a bad thing in a game about burning time and money to make bigger and better characters.

having stupidly expensive things to spend money on is a core concept in any grindy game.

That being said spending that much money just to prove that MF builds are not weak is rather pointless.

Spoiler

spend that much money and most things become powerful. for the amount of money the op spent on that character i could outfit any bow character i have with about 400 iir and 30 - 50 iiq and still have the same clear speed as my normal gear. But that doesn't prove that my character is strong despite the mf gear it proves that the gear i use to compensate for the mf is strong.

fundamentally speaking all a good character needs to be mf is the ability to compensate for the shitty stats on certain mf items. And this requirement has lessened in recent years with the addition of things like ventors gamble.

now that that thing is in the game the days of needing to compensate for 2 andi rings are long gone and this could mean a difference of over 80 resist all gained for little to no loss of mf.


Lets put it this way. totem mf builds arent weak in end game becasue they are slow, totems builds are weak because they are slow. summoner mf builds arent weak because they are slow. summoner builds are weak because they are slow. melee mf builds arent weak because it makes them vulnerable. melee is just shit mf.

in all these cases mf is largely irrelevant , the good mf builds are good because they are also the best clearing builds at certain points in the game. And as a league progresses the standards for good mf builds change.

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That being said spending that much money just to prove that MF builds are not weak is rather pointless.

I was talking about spending money in MF build ? U must be dreaming bro ? I just asked something to someone and another folk wanna argue about something he think he understand whereas he doesn't.
u don't get it, u are far from it, its not what i am talking about, better ask me before go in a bunch of useless TL DR.
I didn't say he was wrong tho, neither be offended or something, just asked if he did to be that sure about this brutal statement.
Pls don't assume something about me when u have no idea thx.

My previous post/question to him still viable tho

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spend that much money and blablabla

U never played MF in temp league u too right ?