☆ Saranghaeyo_'s Physical Bow Ranger Resource ☆ WIP ☆ Gear & Gem Link Discussion ☆

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skuadak wrote:

Grace is still fine aura it appears (good ol' grace, sorry). I've been cutting eva to the point where squishy got really too squishy, even in my book. Then applied grace at burned place, bam, I'm fine again.

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I see bashing of my idea comming, as grace is really so last season.

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AllSunsDawn wrote:

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skuadak wrote:

Grace is still fine aura it appears (good ol' grace, sorry). I've been cutting eva to the point where squishy got really too squishy, even in my book. Then applied grace at burned place, bam, I'm fine again.

Spoiler

I see bashing of my idea comming, as grace is really so last season.

I will actually cover the use of Grace in the Gems section. Not a completely bad choice to be honest, can see it being used as an alternative to Haste (50% Reservation slot) in some cases, and easily swappable for maps where you feel you need it. I have a Tempest friend who is currently using Grace/AA and mapping very slowly, but it has worked for him, so I can definitely appreciate an extra layer of defense.


@Mortal:

Thanks for the feedback. I still have yet to queue up the rest of the gearing sections nor the Gem Links section (still figuring out how to structure each of the sections as well as what discussion points I want to hit the most). I do agree that Critical Strike Chance is something that many people tend to overlook, even putting it as one of the four main parts of the build.

So a lot of the gear slots you mention, including Jewelry, will be touched up one as the skeleton nears completion. About the Skill Tree, I think if you do want to go for the Marauder area you may want to start Scion or Duelist tbh. The Scion life wheel can be very good, as well as traveling to the core Ranger/Shadow section through Harrier. Maybe I will add more once I have completed the other chapters, it can be something to add to a To-Do List for polishing the text. I definitely think Lioneye's Fall and a Duelist start could have some potential, even if I haven't played around with it all too much and I don't have a Duelist body to test this on.

The reason that I did not cover Lioneye's Glare (but mentioned it very briefly) is that I will be covering it in the Budget Gear/Alternative Gear Chapter, scheduled to be the last one. It is a very viable choice, but has downfalls (as I am sure you know or have seen feedback on) of an inflated attack speed, which we don't necessarily need, as well as the low base Critical Strike Chance. It is also a 1-3c bow in Standard so I felt it was appropriate to move the discussion to that area. But a lot of the Uniques you mentioned for the other slots, such as Maligaro's, Daresso's, Hyrri's, etc, will be covered when I get to the respective sections, as they are not budget and instead end-game (or at least late mid-game) options.

If I have time this week I will find a way to start writing about the Armor/Belt/Boots/Gloves slots before moving on to the "Accessories" Chapter. The Gem Links Chapter is looking to be the biggest challenge, but may be easier to progress towards after I have the proper setup in the prior chapters.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

No, you SHOULD start as ranger anyway, if you want to make evasion character. You WILL want to take Ranger's nodes anyway, and unlike other classes, Ranger spends only ONE nodes for her "starting area", while Duelist&Shadow spend 5 nodes each.
You can start as Maradeur too, if you want to make armour-based archer, but still, ranger will be no worse even in that case.
And in my scenario, you always can spend those 4 "extra" nodes on more efficient clusters (both for tankiness, DPS or crit), than those starting nodes in Duelist starting area (and Shadow's ones are even worse). That's why i STRONGLY advice anyone (who wants physical bow build) to start as a Ranger and get +1 skill point as Merciless bandit reward.
You also can spent one point for +8% AS node as Ranger - good option is you want higher DPS.
I tell this being Duelist myself, BTW. I know my class isnt optimal for my build, but i dont want to spend so many time leveling a Ranger.

I also want to note - Evasion shares the same rules as accuracy does. It's VERY good at low evasion rating numbers, but it suffers from diminishing returns greatly as evasion rating grows up. That's why i DONT recomend stacking a lot of evasion rating, if it hurts other stats (includes both flat evasion from gear, Grace aura and % evasion increase from tree). The only exception may be for Queen of the Forest users - because they also get movement speed from Evasion rating.

I made analysis for Lioneye's Fall tree (used for Disemboweling cluster), adapted for Maradeur and armour, and compares it to my Ranger's evasion tree:

Maradeur:
https://www.poebuilder.com/character/AAAAAgEAxtg9_FhjxFj2SO8OFCBfP6luwQTYvTWStfJ4DcAabzu9Nkd-hNkB3HfjvqdlTZ7NVbXSIVcN85toZdlhrY3Pfnaskn33MuoY3COYb-XP15ZoWInYcqnyQYIH6mJ1y41-t7ZDMQUtdO3awdNvLlNaGsMzKaV08SFgLIVM_8Ezhs4hdluvTir8xQ2N7g6NfSP2TZJ_KzB8OdR29zH6oJ-m4H8CMpTZxpUFUUfKqV1omvEIib3mPs_tPzfU_94k_edU73r-un11034ZjgBe7YMILkp945-Hdlb6n8unMAHneWgUTfxLvJ86UjJ-GJE=

Ranger:
https://www.pathofexile.com/passive-skill-tree/AAAAAgIAAF4Zju2DCC6bjdN-_rp9dX8rVvruDu96OdR296CfMfrKqV1omvEIiZUFUUcwfKbgfwIylNnG_94k_edU7T831L3mPs-NfU2SI_aNv6XLDPK0xcLsBbVsjGKsnapVhW1stUgfQQYjFr8DHmHiJpWMNlVLcFIqC_PqSn3jn4d2DY38xcEzhs4hdluvjX5DMUz_TipaGsMz2sEFLXTt028uU7e2vqd1y-pivTZlTYTZR37YvTWStfJ4DcAaqW534wHcbztfP8EEeWjEWPZI7w4UIDpCS3jdqDBx1CP-j03jplfyRf4KUEd67zrhr-s=

And made some stats comparison (using Blood Dance, excluding DMG boost from shared jewel sockets, assuming +6% life, +15% damage and +3% AS jewel in the extra jewel socket, and assuming +120 str gear for Iron Grip damage purposes)
Maradeur:
%Damage 307%
%AS 44%
%CC 387%
%CD 81%
Life 207
%life 214%
%regen 13.2%
%arm 142%
Int 24
Res 26
%LL 0

Ranger
%Damage 272% +4% more
%AS 62%
%CC 342%
%CD 96%
Life 144
%life 236%
%regen 14.2%
%eva 150%
Int 44
Res 0
%LL 0.4

This is probably the BEST case scenario you can use Lioneye's Fall. For evasion build, it has no use - you have to give up too much to get it. For armour build, it just makes decent stats.

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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

That's a fair analysis. Like I said, I wish I had the bodies to play around with it a little bit. But I do agree that if you wanna go for a Lioneye's Fall build, you would probably have to be more Armor based and likely not this style of build overall (that'd be interesting to work out, though).

I also did not really think to apply Lioneye's Fall to the Disemboweling Cluster, but rather the Smashing Strikes Cluster, as you'll have a 10% Chance to gain an Endurance Charge every time you land a Critical Strike, which seems much better than raw Crit Nodes. It would require some heavy pathing overall, but you'll have a lot more effective sturdiness.

I apologize for the late response though, I try not to bump when I'm working on a section to avoid confusion. That said, Chapter 3 is up, regarding Armor selection.

This next section should be very brief, and then I'll have to go buy a bunch of Vendor Gems and get Chromes so I can do the Gem Links / Chroming Chapter. Already mapped out the sections when I had a break at work, if it works out, it should help a lot of people who have questions.

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MortalKombat3 wrote:

I'm not sure that 10% chance to get Endurance Charg on melee critical will apply to bows even with Lionete's Fall.
And we usually use Daresso's Defiance for endurnce charges anyway.
However, if it works, then it may be worth a try, and (for example) use Lioneye's Vision chest + Drillneck. Or Lightning Coil.

And still, to get those nodes, one should sacrifice too much. Too much HP, usually - and it isnt worth that i think.

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Saranghaeyo_ wrote:

It was buggy in CB, but since then has been fixed.