StrangeCloud's [2.02] Sustainable Perpetual Auto Caster

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Anvesi wrote:

Just some random thoughts, because the whole Heartbound Loop + minions + cwdt opens up many different options.


Minion instability?

Animate Guardian/Weapon?

Vaal Molten Shell?

SRS? Would it be possible to have say 5 instances of CWDT linked to SRS to reach the cap of 50? (While managing the incoming damage of all the dying SRS). I had a quick test and I'm having trouble reaching high amounts of SRS, but if you take too much damage it could snowball exponentially and too many could be summoned making you explode -> 2 SRS die, spawn 3, 3 die -> spawn 5, etc.)

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maoster wrote:

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Anvesi wrote:

Just some random thoughts, because the whole Heartbound Loop + minions + cwdt opens up many different options.


Minion instability?

Animate Guardian/Weapon?

Vaal Molten Shell?

SRS? Would it be possible to have say 5 instances of CWDT linked to SRS to reach the cap of 50? (While managing the incoming damage of all the dying SRS). I had a quick test and I'm having trouble reaching high amounts of SRS, but if you take too much damage it could snowball exponentially and too many could be summoned making you explode -> 2 SRS die, spawn 3, 3 die -> spawn 5, etc.)

Fron my napkin math, cwdt has .25 cd, u need yo summon 50 in the duration of 1srs so assuming a 3.5second duration u need 3 loops or so, u need to make it so when 3 srs die, it procs 1 cast of each cwdt, any more and it will exponentially go until u die, any less and it wont sustain. But if you make it work, you can effectively snapshot to charge up to 50 then pop as many auras as you can and yolo with ur cloud of death.

Basically you want the loops to exactly sustain based on ur srs duration, then u can speed up the loops with a self cast srs with the loop capped rotation speed at 0.25seconds. This is importany because if ur srs get killed before expiring they wont come back if you are right on the loop speed cap of .25

For pack clear arc double nova glacial in low link items and gmp chain fireball ice spear arctic breathe in 6link is prolly best. Single u take out ice spear and gmp for slower proj and conc effect i think

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Anvesi wrote:

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maoster wrote:

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Anvesi wrote:

Just some random thoughts, because the whole Heartbound Loop + minions + cwdt opens up many different options.


Minion instability?

Animate Guardian/Weapon?

Vaal Molten Shell?

SRS? Would it be possible to have say 5 instances of CWDT linked to SRS to reach the cap of 50? (While managing the incoming damage of all the dying SRS). I had a quick test and I'm having trouble reaching high amounts of SRS, but if you take too much damage it could snowball exponentially and too many could be summoned making you explode -> 2 SRS die, spawn 3, 3 die -> spawn 5, etc.)

Fron my napkin math, cwdt has .25 cd, u need yo summon 50 in the duration of 1srs so assuming a 3.5second duration u need 3 loops or so, u need to make it so when 3 srs die, it procs 1 cast of each cwdt, any more and it will exponentially go until u die, any less and it wont sustain. But if you make it work, you can effectively snapshot to charge up to 50 then pop as many auras as you can and yolo with ur cloud of death.

Basically you want the loops to exactly sustain based on ur srs duration, then u can speed up the loops with a self cast srs with the loop capped rotation speed at 0.25seconds. This is importany because if ur srs get killed before expiring they wont come back if you are right on the loop speed cap of .25

For pack clear arc double nova glacial in low link items and gmp chain fireball ice spear arctic breathe in 6link is prolly best. Single u take out ice spear and gmp for slower proj and conc effect i think

I think youre pretty far off. First of all, you can have multiple CWDT links setup. Im not sure if those can still all proc at the same time (since they're not the same) but that would al;ready give you say 4x SRS from one CWDT. Second is that you're not only going for loops. If you start the combo by casting SRS manually, you cast 2 in say 1 second, then you cast another 2 1 second later, if you keep casting you will take a steady flow of damage triggering the CWDT not on the "once per 4.5 second" mark

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maoster wrote:

Here is what i meant, you can proc each cwdt every .25 seconds, if u have 3 loops that meand u can proc a max of 12 casts per second. At 3.5 second duration u get 42 srs up at all times. However 3 srs die at the same time, so u need 3 srs to proc only 1 cast. To start the loops u just cast until u are fully charged, however if you dont base your numbers off the 0.25 cap, it will cycle until it hits that anyway and u die from the dmg

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Anvesi wrote:

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maoster wrote:

Here is what i meant, you can proc each cwdt every .25 seconds, if u have 3 loops that meand u can proc a max of 12 casts per second. At 3.5 second duration u get 42 srs up at all times. However 3 srs die at the same time, so u need 3 srs to proc only 1 cast. To start the loops u just cast until u are fully charged, however if you dont base your numbers off the 0.25 cap, it will cycle until it hits that anyway and u die from the dmg

We'd need some math to see if SRS Summons with a 0.25 cap would kill you of or if it's sustainable in any way or form. I think 40+ SRS with some minion damage nodes (which can easily be taken with this build / 8 passives) would destroy anything in its path. Get flesh offering in there and you're a walking afk monster.

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maoster wrote:

i am sad they removed cannabilistic habits, could have done some seriously interesting things with DD and desecrate, damage AND sustain.

i had an idea, coudlnt u use this to have unlimited SRS, and if u use elemental auras u could probably have 50 srs up at all time

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Oos wrote:

Hey. Really interesting build, good job.

I remade it on standard with gear I had lying around.

Gear:

Spoiler

How did you get 3k regen? I have about 2k but am missing one 2% regen jewel because it's a witch.
I can sustain just about, but I've used a 17% duration Army jewel instead of 18%, so it's 0.6 duration instead of 0.4.
Sometimes it turns itself off randomly and I can't work out why.

Any advice is appreciated. Gear/tree is on my account > characters, character name "OosBlue".
Thanks.

edit: with 10.7k es
edit2: it seems to stop the cycle when the skellies die too fast from other damage and don't proc a cwdt because of cooldown.

edit3: there's also a problem where sometimes I will spawn double skeletons, 4 at a time and take x2 damage:
http://gfycat.com/WildChillyHoneybee

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Anvesi wrote:

Just some random thoughts, because the whole Heartbound Loop + minions + cwdt opens up many different options.


Minion instability?

Animate Guardian/Weapon?

Vaal Molten Shell?

SRS? Would it be possible to have say 5 instances of CWDT linked to SRS to reach the cap of 50? (While managing the incoming damage of all the dying SRS). I had a quick test and I'm having trouble reaching high amounts of SRS, but if you take too much damage it could snowball exponentially and too many could be summoned making you explode -> 2 SRS die, spawn 3, 3 die -> spawn 5, etc.)

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Sheeptea wrote:

Can you go low life with this and be fine? I have 5L shavs in warbands and I'm thinking of builds to use it for.