[2.0] Lvl 93 Tempest [HC] Templar - Shock Nova/Call of the Brotherhood

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SleepThieff wrote:

@ChessChamp:

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That being said, I'm curious whether you think Doryani's is worth it, because I think it'd be a damage loss. I'm not sure about that, but I feel as though the loss of the added lightning damage from my current rare weapon results in a fairly large loss for my Shock Nova. I don't want to spend 2-3ex on a Doryani's only to watch its tooltip DPS plummet.

Let's think about this. How can we be sure if it's a damage gain or loss?

Here's an example:

Here is a wand with pretty impressive stats.

Let's add it up:
60% Spell Damage = Damage being applied to Nova, but not to herald
14% Spell Damage from Implicit = Damage being applied to Nova, but not Herald
16% Lightning Damage = Damage being applied to both Nova an Herald
18% Cast Speed

In total, this equals a 90% (60 + 16 + 14) increase in damage on Nova, BUT only a 16% increase for our Herald.

Let's look at Doryani's:

Let's add it up, just like the previous:
99% Elemental Damage = 99% Damage being applied to both Nova and Herald (as well as Herald of Ice!)
10% Elemental Damage Implicit = 99% Damage being applied to both Nova and Herald (as well as Herald of Ice!)
9% Cast Speed

In total, this results in a 109% increase to Nova, as well as ALL OTHER DAMAGE (both heralds).


What does this mean?

The Doryani's offers higher raw overall damage output, but it does not have the +2 roll. Therefore, when using a 3 link Nova, the +2 wand/sceptre will grant significantly more damage to your Nova than a Doryani's will.

But, if you are able to link the Nova to a 5/6L, then there is no need for a +2 roll on the weapon, and the Doryani's becomes more powerful since it offers greater raw damage.

Also don't forget that Doryani's offers elemental leech, which is something that the build is lacking. Having a way to leech is very powerful.

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chesschamp wrote:

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SleepThieff wrote:

@ChessChamp:

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That being said, I'm curious whether you think Doryani's is worth it, because I think it'd be a damage loss. I'm not sure about that, but I feel as though the loss of the added lightning damage from my current rare weapon results in a fairly large loss for my Shock Nova. I don't want to spend 2-3ex on a Doryani's only to watch its tooltip DPS plummet.

Let's think about this. How can we be sure if it's a damage gain or loss?

Here's an example:

Here is a wand with pretty impressive stats.

Let's add it up:
60% Spell Damage = Damage being applied to Nova, but not to herald
14% Spell Damage from Implicit = Damage being applied to Nova, but not Herald
16% Lightning Damage = Damage being applied to both Nova an Herald
18% Cast Speed

In total, this equals a 90% (60 + 16 + 14) increase in damage on Nova, BUT only a 16% increase for our Herald.

Let's look at Doryani's:

Let's add it up, just like the previous:
99% Elemental Damage = 99% Damage being applied to both Nova and Herald (as well as Herald of Ice!)
10% Elemental Damage Implicit = 99% Damage being applied to both Nova and Herald (as well as Herald of Ice!)
9% Cast Speed

In total, this results in a 109% increase to Nova, as well as ALL OTHER DAMAGE (both heralds).


What does this mean?

The Doryani's offers higher raw overall damage output, but it does not have the +2 roll. Therefore, when using a 3 link Nova, the +2 wand/sceptre will grant significantly more damage to your Nova than a Doryani's will.

But, if you are able to link the Nova to a 5/6L, then there is no need for a +2 roll on the weapon, and the Doryani's becomes more powerful since it offers greater raw damage.

Also don't forget that Doryani's offers elemental leech, which is something that the build is lacking. Having a way to leech is very powerful.

I appreciate the detailed response, but I think I may have misrepresented my problem with calculating the damage benefit of Doryani's over a random rare: I have "Adds 8-106 Lightning damage to spells" on my mace, which seems like it'd be crazy hard to compensate for on Doryani's. It's just a shitload of Shock Nova DPS. Would the benefit for the Heralds with Doryani's really outweigh the raw DPS on Shock Nova? I'm fairly sure it'd be a loss for Shock Nova.
Here's my weapon:

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lorkaizer wrote:

Hey bro, ty for the guide and congrats on the succes! working really solid for me... Still not mapping, lvl 64, need gear improvement... What do you think about

? I know all defensive stats from shield are lost, but could it be viable in late game?