[2.0] Rathik's Shotgunless Barrage COC. New build. Much stronger now. Boss killer.

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EntropyMu wrote:
Wouldn't it be better to drop romiras rings and run discharge as one of your spells in the boss setup?


Nop. Discharge will eat your endurance charges and IM will not have enough duration to be 100% up time, which means you are no longer immune to physical damage.

You can however use Discharge for trash clearing but it lacks range compare to fireball.
You also loose some DPS stats from amulet since you will be using voll's amulet.
Personally I prefer to keep as much distance from monsters as possible but this comes down to personal preferences.
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Last edited by Rathik2#1558 on Oct 2, 2015, 2:28:27 PM
So is the problem that discharge consumes the endurance charges that are converted (from devotion) during that single casting of discharge, or that in a single target scenario, you don't have enough endurance charges generated from 1 use of discharge to reliably keep IC up?

The EE problem isn't much of a problem for coc cyclone dishcarge builds when they use a cold spell as the second spell along with discharge.

Not trying to be argumentative, just understand the interaction of gear/setup.
Last edited by EntropyMu#7684 on Oct 2, 2015, 2:26:33 PM
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EntropyMu wrote:
So is the problem that discharge consumes the endurance charges that are converted (from devotion) during that single casting of discharge, or that in a single target scenario, you don't have enough endurance charges generated from 1 use of discharge to reliably keep IC up?

The EE problem isn't much of a problem for coc cyclone dishcarge builds when they use a cold spell as the second spell along with discharge.

Not trying to be argumentative, just understand the interaction of gear/setup.


No, EE is not an issue if you are using a cold spell, for some reason I had in mind flame surge as a secondary spell, already edited the post.


Thing is with discharge and IM is that is to risky. If discharge eats your endurance and for some reason you don't have enough endurance to cast IM with the needed duration to have it up 100%.

I am gonna test it a bit more and see if you can keep 100% uptime. If is 100% reliable then yes, discharge is a DPS boost.

EDIT

Just tested it, its just as I though, its not reliable one bit. Many times discharge will cast with few power charges, which means you won't have 5 endurance charges up to cast IM for its full duration.

Also it sucks using it vs trash since you are attacking from such distance that it doesn't hit monsters. Loosing power charges means you are loosing crit chance from your barrage, so your COC procs are way less.

I wouldn't recommend it for either trash or bosses.

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Last edited by Rathik2#1558 on Oct 2, 2015, 2:45:52 PM
While you are testing, if you don't mind helping my curiosity, but would cold snap as your second spell help with keeping up endurance charges enough?
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EntropyMu wrote:
While you are testing, if you don't mind helping my curiosity, but would cold snap as your second spell help with keeping up endurance charges enough?


Thanks for reminding me, been wanting to test it since last night and but I keep forgetting, just loaded a malformation map to test it on Piety.

Edit

Just test it (just one test), worked like a charm. You get to keep up 5 power charges also which greatly improves DPS.

Gonna do a test run on Malachai now see how that works.

Thanks.
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Last edited by Rathik2#1558 on Oct 2, 2015, 3:07:10 PM
Glad it's working! I'm going to try this build on the 1mo, and while it's unlikely I'll manage a 6L Voll chest and a devotion, it's good to see a long term vision for boss fights (assuming it doesn't get nerfed).
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EntropyMu wrote:
Glad it's working! I'm going to try this build on the 1mo, and while it's unlikely I'll manage a 6L Voll chest and a devotion, it's good to see a long term vision for boss fights (assuming it doesn't get nerfed).


Just did Malachai, I am 100% convinced, cold snap is way better.
Currently uploading the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ql_WX5Y6ulo&feature=youtu.be

I hope also it doesn't get nerfed.
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What's the best way to level up with this tree? trying flame totem but it's horrible, melee same thing
Last edited by Nezrul#1393 on Oct 2, 2015, 8:15:22 PM
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Nezrul wrote:
What's the best way to level up with this tree? trying flame totem but it's horrible, melee same thing


You can start playing this build at level 38 when you can use COC.
Check the old guide at the bottom, there is a section there.

The new guide has some work to be done.
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Old Build. Obsolete now. Archived.
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Hi all, welcome to my barrage COC build. This is a [2.0] Shatter Chuck Lite build.

Build can also be done with
Witch (requires 4 more skill points, forced to take 3 evasion nodes to cross over)
Shadow (weaker, elemental damage don't effect EK/GC, requires 4 more skill points, forced to take 3 evasion nodes to cross over).

Check this Dominus DPS test. On phase three it takes less than two second to die.

Dominus DPS test Righteous Fire+Flame Surge+Freezing Pulse+EK+Assassins Mark+Hatred+HoF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoNMmsdG91E&feature=youtu.be

Also check out
[2.0] Shatter Chuck Blue. LL+RF 5 auras, 2 heralds. With or W/O Atziri's Acuity.
You can transition to this version when you have a 6L Shavronne's.
Way more expensive though.
https://www.pathofexile.com/forum/view-thread/1315235

Skill tree 112/123
Very balanced on DPS and survival with Phase Acrobatics
Get more life, jewel sockets and Critical Multiplier with more character levels
If you have enough resist from gear, drop the resist nodes and take Projectile damage

121/123 (Level 100!!!)

Budget Section
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Budget video level 75 hard map

Budget build

50 chaos budget gear

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Tabula Rasa 20 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/uyaduomoinohas

Windscream Reinforced Greaves 1 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/eworanokitanoa

Starkonja's Head Silken Hood 1 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/unasetesetohon

Maligaro's Virtuosity Deerskin Gloves 15 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/kigakowomamahi
or
Doedre's Tenure Velvet Gloves 4 alterations+
http://poe.trade/search/nokauwinorimda

Rare Belt 5 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/akabahitetenao

Rare Wand 5 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/urekogoheimaso
or
Piscator's Vigil Tornado Wand 5 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/owahounitomkow

Rare shield 1 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/huraukiramikit
or
Saffell's Frame Branded Kite Shield 1 alchemy+
http://poe.trade/search/hohuroicheberi

Rare Amulet 5 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/etakenohamimaz
or
Ungil's Harmony Turquoise Amulet 1 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/aikehinawakazu

Rare rings x2 3 chaos+
http://poe.trade/search/kimetomagakido

Important. How to itemize
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I like to start by saying that Accuracy is extremely important.
Your chance to hit something affects your critical strikes directly. You need to be as close to 90% chance to hit as possible. It should be the main focus on your rings.

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Stats are listed in order of priority.


Wand
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There is a lot of debate going on how much attack speed you need to get the most of COC.
All I can say is this, do not worry about optimizing your AOE setup, trash die so fast you won't even be able to tell the difference.
What you should care about is your single damage setup, for example you want to push Atziri though phases as fast as possible to minimum incoming damage.
From the information I gathered it seems you need be as close to 3.0 APS as possible with out GMP/LMP.

Critical strike chance. The higher the better.
Attack Speed
Spell damage
Critical strike multiplier
Critical strike chance for spells
Accuracy

Rings
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Diamond rings are the best
Life
Accuracy, at least 200
resists to cover your needs
critical chance from Elreon if you can add it

Amulet
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Elreon -8 to mana is the best choice
Life
Critical strike chance
Critical strike multiplier
Accuracy

If you can corrupt it and get +1 additional curse, 0.2% cold leech or +1 max resistance then you have struck gold.

You should do this on a daily basis.
Lets assume Elreon sells a -8 amulet.
Use orb of augmentation, if you get something good like critical multiplier, accuracy, critical strike chance etc then regal it.
If you again get something good then add the best option from master and then corrupt it.
Keep in mind that Elreon only sells up to ilvl 59 except for his white item.

You could end up with an amulet like

+1 additional curse
-8 to mana cost of skills
life
critical multiplier
critical strike chance

This will cost you 1 orb of chance, 1 regal, 1 vaal orb and what ever you payed for the master enchant. You can do the same with rings.

This is a cheap way to end up with something godly.

###Challenge###Challenge###Challenge###
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Post your daily crafts in the topic so we can see what people end up with.

###Challenge###Challenge###Challenge###

Belt and boots
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Belt and boots are our main source of resistances.
You should look for Armor/Evasion boots so you have an easier time with socket colors.
I recommend a strength belt but life or stun recovery will do just fine.

Life
Triple res is possible
Flask effect duration
Don't bother to corrupt it

Life
Triple res is possible
Movement speed
Stun recovery
Corruption can give +1 power charge or +1 level of gems


How to leech life with out life leech gem
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There are a few things you can do though to combat this.
Keep in mind that nothing is as effect as a life leech gem.

Fix your flasks.
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Get eternal flasks, they heal life over 4 seconds were a divines heals over 7 seconds.
Don't worry about the amount. With Alchemist and Profane Chemistry nodes 1 usage of the flask will heal you for more than 4000 life.

Sanctified flask can also work, they heal over 3 seconds but they only have 30 charges, they also heal for a bit less.

20% Eternal flask 2496 life over 4 seconds, 45 charges
20% Sanctified flask 1752 life over 3 seconds , 30 charges

You can also use a Seething Divine Life Flask for instant recovery but it will not recharge with your crits.

Atziri's Promise Amethyst flask
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DPS and life leech on demand. Unfortunately it doesn't recharge with crits so you can't rely on it 100%. Use wisely.

Cast on damage taken
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CWDT + Warlord's Mark
Keep in mind that map bosses have 60% reduced effect of curses on them, and Act Bosses 70%.

CWDT + Discharge + Life Leech
Decent way to leech back some life, especially when using Voll's armor.
You need to find the sweet spot of CWDT gem level.
About 25%-30% damage taken of your life. It really depends on you on how much to level it.

Leech from Doryani's belt, wand and corrupted amulet.
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The best way to get direct life leech on your barrage attack with 100% up time when not using life leech gem.

Cold Damage Leeched as Life is the best option.

With all 3 items you will have 0.6% leech. Remember that you are only leeching from your cold damage.

Vaal molten shell + life leech + increase duration
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Very situational. First it needs to be charged. Best use in anticipation of incoming damage.

Herald of Ice + Life leech
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For some increased cost on your herald of ice you can link it with a life leech gem. Downside is that you have to kill something but the life return on trash is very high. You can also link herald of thunder but is not really worth the mana cost.

You can easily run 2 heralds and 1 purity with no mana reservation nodes and have mana to spam barrage even with out an Elreon ring/amulet.

This setup is best use when not using Voll's armor.

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Herald of Ice + Life leech
Herald of Thunder + Purity

Aura setup
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For trash
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Purity of Fire + Herald of Ice + Herald of Thunder + Arctic Armour

Single target DPS boost with EK/Freezing Pulse/Flame Surge
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Purity of Fire + Hatred + Herald of Ash


Leveling progress

Current Gear

Build on Warbands with zero starting currency.

Amulet. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
Spoiler

This amulet will remove all mana issues from the table. DO NOT MAKE A RING, it gives way less critical strike chance.

Barrage + COC + Life Leech costs 10 mana, now it will cost 2 mana
Barrage + COC + Warlord's Mark costs 8 mana, now it will cost 0 mana

It will cost you about 2 exalted 1 regal 6 chaos

Prefix
Maximum life

Suffix
Critical strike chance
Accuracy rating

I was unlucky with my regal and I got a suffix "life on kill" so I couldn't add accuracy


Requirements
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Requires 5L Voll's Protector(GGGBB) or 6L Rare/Unique/Tabula Rasa(GGGBBB)
Must use a 3L CWDT + Immortal Call + Warlord's Mark.
Optional but very helpful. Doryani's belt with the appropriate life leech
Power Charge on Critical Strike must be used when not using Voll's Protector

Notable uniques that are useful and can easily roll socket colors.
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Saffell's frame shield if you planning to use Righteous Fire
Surgeon's flask of staunching because corrupting blood hurts like a motherfucker

Pros
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Can start playing the build at level 38 with the same effectiveness, very fast leveling speed.
Can start with a Tabula Rasa + PCOC. Less effective of course.
Very high single target DPS with righteous fire
Very high AOE damage
No mana issues what so ever

Cons
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Relies on gear to get decent life
Relies on flasks for defenses
Needs to switch few gems for high single target damage
Barrage is some what tricky to aim and hit something in certain terrains
A bit hard to get the right color sockets

Bandits
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Resist (If you have GODLY gear take life)
Skill point or Attack speed. Tricky choice. IMO attack speed is better if you want to optimize single target damage.
Power Charge

Core links and skills
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Keep Barrage at level 1. You don't have to max out Warlord's Mark, check your STR
Feel free to try your own combos and see what you prefer.

Non Voll's Protector armor setup
Trash setup. Simply replace Assassin's Mark with PCOC for single target.
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Barrage + Cast on critical + GMP + Assassin's Mark + Freezing Pulse + Arc/Arctic Breath

Voll's Protector setup
This is probably one of the safest combos. If you want more range replace FP with fireball
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Barrage + Cast on critical + GMP + Freezing Pulse + Arctic Breath + Warlord's Mark

Atziri
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Barrage + Cast on critical + EK + Freezing Pulse/Glacial Cascade + Flame Surge + Life Leech

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Righteous Fire + Flame Dash(lvl 1)+ Empower

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Herald + Herald + Purity of fire + Enlighten(lvl 2)

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Cast when damage taken + Immortal Call

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Herald

Ice Golem (Optional, adds 30% Critical chance 30% Accuracy)
Replace blood magic with fortify after you summon it.
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Ice Golem + Minion resistance/Life Leech + Blood magic

Vaal Molten Shell (Optional, makes trio fight easier)
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Vaal molten shell + Increase duration + Life leech

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Assassin's Mark


Jewels
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Get one with this affix
+2 to mana gain on hit jewel

then look for
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Accuracy/critical strike chance
Spell damage with shield equipped
Spell critical strike multiplier
Attack speed if you need it


Boss Videos

Screenshots
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Ethereal knives with 6 charges and RF
http://imgur.com/6bZiGCk

Freezing pulse with 6 charges and RF
http://imgur.com/KSXC84R

Flame surge with 6 charges and RF
http://imgur.com/QNG24Jr

Barrage stats with 6 power charges
http://imgur.com/4XfYBT6

Defense tab
http://imgur.com/Q1dwxQF

No power charges/RF
http://i.imgur.com/h4tGpty.png
http://i.imgur.com/Gb6Azqf.png
http://i.imgur.com/EparKTn.png
http://i.imgur.com/I71dwoO.png
http://i.imgur.com/jXgxk9F.png

Village Ruin BM + Temp Chains + Vulnerability + 100% extra cold dmg + 80% monsters cold res + 28% more life + chilled ground.
http://i.imgur.com/GlSilAw.png


General Videos
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Dominus DPS test Righteous Fire+Flame Surge+Glacial Cascade+EK+Assassins Mark+Hatred+HoF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVDkPlqER9s&feature=youtu.be

Dominus DPS test Righteous Fire+Flame Surge+Glacial Cascade+EK no curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9AQQHz6bwQ

Dominus DPS test Arc+Glacial Cascade+EK no curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SD0E4fTqo0

Dominus DPS test Righteous fire+Arc+Glacial Cascade+EK no curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAzc5uU0A9c

Dominus DPS test Flame Surge+Glacial Cascade+EK no curse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeRW_NCtefg

Dominus DPS test Righteous Fire+Flame Surge+Glacial Cascade+EK+Assassins Mark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzIc6SeZd3Q

Plateau map Barrage + GMP + COC + Freezing pulse(lvl 13 lol) + Arc + Reduce Mana (no life leech gem)
Doryani's cold belt + 3L CWDT + Warlord's Mark + Immortal Call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paHFOb3x4eE

Freezing Pulse + Arctic Breath + RF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G02bU0Eggqw&feature=youtu.be


If you have any comments, questions or suggestions let me know.


Regards :)
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