Frost Wall Pierce Nerf - Devs please explain!

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Kinetic Blast was changed to not create explosions on a frost wall it pierced through as an emergency fix to an abusable instance crash.

A different fix is being worked on (you'll be unable to get cast-on-crit triggers from critting your own frost walls), once that's confirmed, we can undo the change to kinetic blast safely.

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you'll be unable to get cast-on-crit triggers from critting your own frost walls

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Kinetic Blast was changed to not create explosions on a frost wall it pierced through as an emergency fix to an abusable instance crash.

A different fix is being worked on (you'll be unable to get cast-on-crit triggers from critting your own frost walls), once that's confirmed, we can undo the change to kinetic blast safely.

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SjakaWaka wrote:

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EAKZOI wrote:

If it's not on the Patch Notes it is considered a Bug then, at least imo.
So if it's a Bug, they'll fix it. If they don't, they're being negligible.

But i wouldn't be surprised if it really was just another bullsh*** nerf from GGG.
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because this shit was op as fuck

-it allowed retarded amount of damage w/o realy needing much investment
-It turned somthing good for AoE in to somthing also godlike for single target giving best of both worlds
-it protected you from everything you to the point you could go EB+CI and still faceroll maps because nothing can hit you EVER

while i like the mechanic of it.
it was way to strong.
used it myself in 1.3 and my god, even burn prolif looked lackluster when compared to this.

Yeah right, because being SmartOP is forbidden while being RichOP is not. Brilliant !


It may be OP, but if it's OP because the player was smarter using the game mechanics, so the player must be rewarded. Not punished.
It's the same thing using Reave with dual wield without dual wielding it in fact, like use a Brightbeak on the off hand as a Shield-Weapon.

There's a difference to One Shot a boss with a single no-brainer skill for no reason, and to deal High Damage because you're using your mind instead of your fingers.

The only thing OP in this game is CoC and Low-Life/Mjolner/ExtremelyStupidDPS builds.

But accordingly to GGG, these are working as intended (even when they're nerfed, they're still OP).

So using your mind, it's not working as inteded.

props to the guy who noticed the mechanic.
but honestly most people aren't being rewarded by by smart but by copy pasting what some other dude did.

btw you say CoC is op wel ye i agree and its also what made KB with the frostwalls so op
also there should be a limit to how much your being rewarded with clever mechanics.

not sure how it is now.
but the old KB+coc frostwall was way to strong.
the fact that with 2 support you could not only:
-multiply your damage beyond any other supports could ever do
-turn multi target also good voor a single target
-protect you from everything on the screen

i mean the first point alone should have raised eyebrows
the fact that the best offensive support happens to be also the best for defensive and single target ?
should never happen in my opinion.

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pabrt wrote:

I'd like to know how/why Frost Wall's interaction with Kinetic Blast and Pierce was changed, whether it was an intentional nerf to any build, and whether it can be reverted or fixed.

Previously, the KB projectiles would cause explosions for each projectile that pierces each frost wall.
With the new patch it behaves differently: https://youtu.be/Wxy_cdkUCFg

As you can see in the video, piercing now creates significantly less KB explosions. When I take off most of my pierce chance, shooting the wall creates many more explosions. This demonstrates the severe impact this change has on builds that utilize Pierce + Kinetic Blast + Frost Wall.

Please respond with information on what the actual change was that causes this, whether you did it purposely to nerf a build, and whether you would consider reverting or fixing it. Many people are waiting for this information, so I would greatly appreciate an answer.

Thank you for reading & for your time.

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Mark_GGG wrote:

Kinetic Blast was changed to not create explosions on a frost wall it pierced through as an emergency fix to an abusable instance crash.

A different fix is being worked on (you'll be unable to get cast-on-crit triggers from critting your own frost walls), once that's confirmed, we can undo the change to kinetic blast safely.

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Aziraphale wrote:

Could you please explain the permeability of frost walls?

projectiles seem to randomly go through frost walls even without pierce. Is this intended?

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clan_iraq wrote:

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Aziraphale wrote:

Could you please explain the permeability of frost walls?

projectiles seem to randomly go through frost walls even without pierce. Is this intended?

I can explain for you.
This is a more or less intended consequence of the change to shotgunning. Since a single target can only be hit by a single projectile out of multiple projectiles generated from the same cast/attack, a frost wall segment can only be struck by one projectile from attacks/spells with more than one projectile, the other projectiles in it go through. EX, a porcupine beast blows up in front of your frost wall. It ejects 8 quill projectiles. One gets blocked by frost wall, the other seven can go through