[2.0] Mjolner life based Rainbownuke witch, !!Deathless 82 Core/Uber!!

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Le_Sanzo wrote:

Hi, Idk if this question has been asked before, I will check now and if i find an answer, ill remove this post.

Can someone please give me an estimate on how much this build would cost to be able to kill Uber? The Version 3 of this build (ES/MOM) one. I saw that we might need two boots and two belts (One with chaos resistance for trio fight) and 5 very specialized jewels, not to mention corrupted voidbringers.

Even a rough/average estimate would help.

Roughly around 1 Mirror for everything I reckon. I haven't been in-game for a while now, so I'm not sure about the Mirror:Exalted ratio. But around there.
It used to be MUCH cheaper to set this up, even the MoM/EB version, but ever since our build got so popular the price went up a bit due to jacked up prices for Voidbringer +1 (they used to cost 25-40 Exa) and due to Life% + ES on Hit jewels (it was easy to get 3 useful stats on jewels for 1-3exa each, now it's more expensive).
While 1 Mirror total may sound like a lot, I can think of only 1-2 other Mjolner builds that are 5-15% more tankier but cost roughly 3+ Mirrors to set up. If I'm not mistaken, other Mjolner builds simply don't have as much survivability for the price, which is what this build is mostly focused on.

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soksh wrote:

Can i use Atziri's Acuity Vaal gauntlets in this buid ? is it better than voidbringer ?

Aside from the Life and INT rolls on them, they're useless. Kingsguard is our Life leech. On top of that Voidbringer grants us TONS of benefits (check 1-3 pages back, we discussed it). My Acuity is collecting dust in the stash, Voidbringer +1 synergy with everything else in this build simply beats Acuity.

Krux or Viviere, could you please, post your offense stats for Lightning/Molten strike, Discharge, Arc, and Defences too. And how much life/ES you have as well.

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Krux wrote:

Roughly around 1 Mirror for everything I reckon. I haven't been in-game for a while now, so I'm not sure about the Mirror:Exalted ratio. But around there.
It used to be MUCH cheaper to set this up, even the MoM/EB version, but ever since our build got so popular the price went up a bit due to jacked up prices for Voidbringer +1 (they used to cost 25-40 Exa) and due to Life% + ES on Hit jewels (it was easy to get 3 useful stats on jewels for 1-3exa each, now it's more expensive).
While 1 Mirror total may sound like a lot, I can think of only 1-2 other Mjolner builds that are 5-15% more tankier but cost roughly 3+ Mirrors to set up. If I'm not mistaken, other Mjolner builds simply don't have as much survivability for the price, which is what this build is mostly focused on.

Thanks Krux. That was VERY detailed and i'm actually very happy to see that the build developers are still active in their threads. So, 1 mirror - approximately 270-280 exalts I suppose. That's sad haha. I've got about 220 so far. Maybe I'll play the next league and use that time to make some more. Its hard for me to imagine any other builds that can get any tankier than this o.O (Mirrored gear?). But I suppose all that wouldn't be actually necessary for Uber? (From what I saw in your video, you seemed to be able to facetank even the trio without a problem)

Anyway! The build is one of the most well thought out ones I have seen and best of all, has a video of you doing Uber. Tbh, idk whether to love you for making this build or hate you for jacking up the prices of those corrupted voidbringers n ES/life jewels haha. WP though to the build makers. Keep up the good work.

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Le_Sanzo wrote:

Thanks Krux. That was VERY detailed and i'm actually very happy to see that the build developers are still active in their threads. So, 1 mirror - approximately 270-280 exalts I suppose. That's sad haha.

From a certain perspective, yes it is. Having said that, way before 2.0 when I decided to play a Mjolner build, I went for Reoxy's Low Life build which was around 400 Exa, at a time when Mirror ratio was 180:1. So a few Mirrors for that setup BUT it was a true faceroll, I just mashed one button.

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Le_Sanzo wrote:

Its hard for me to imagine any other builds that can get any tankier than this o.O (Mirrored gear?). But I suppose all that wouldn't be actually necessary for Uber? (From what I saw in your video, you seemed to be able to facetank even the trio without a problem)

Yeah, at least one or possibly two mirror-quality items + the rest of the gear, hence my rough estimate of 3 Mirrors at least. DPS would be virtually identical (I think slightly higher in this build, but differences are not noticeable), but I think that, that build would be 5-15% more tankier.
As you've pointed out, we seem to agree on a more cost/effective view of how the build setup should look like. Personally I wouldn't have trouble decking myself out with mirror-worthy gear, but I've never thought that sinking that much into one build is reasonable. Suppose that's why I'm rich lol, you could call me Arsene Wenger of POE :D.
In any case, yes it's correct that we can tank everything in Uber except the Flameblast of course.

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Le_Sanzo wrote:

The build is one of the most well thought out ones I have seen and best of all, has a video of you doing Uber. Tbh, idk whether to love you for making this build or hate you for jacking up the prices of those corrupted voidbringers n ES/life jewels haha. WP though to the build makers. Keep up the good work.

Thank you kindly, lots of Uber and Core runs were done to test stuff out :D
As for Void/Jewel prices, inadvertently this guide most likely did cause the prices to go up sadly. But I'll focus on your love and will ignore the hate, it's what I do with the missus on a daily basis :D

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Garfunkel wrote:

Krux or Viviere, could you please, post your offense stats for Lightning/Molten strike, Discharge, Arc, and Defences too. And how much life/ES you have as well.

First off, brilliant name :D Do you have an account named Simon as well? That'd be a blast :D
Anyhow, I haven't been in-game so I can't recall my LStrike/MStrike/Discharge/Arc/BallLightning stats. Couple points though:
• Both Lightning Strike and Molten Strike are level 1, so we won't have blasting stats in the tooltip.
• It's a Discharge build, so a lot of boom-boom is dished out. Granted, this build is focused more on survivability when it comes to balancing offense-defense, so DPS will not be as awesome as Mjolner builds that are more DPS-oriented. Having said that, you'll still one shot whole rooms and wipe the floor with all bosses while being super-tanky.

As for Defenses, they vary:
• Armor - During normal maps and group farming I got 42k Armor 100% uptime (Flask: Granite with 100% Armor). In another instance, on Uber Vaal Duo I've got around 65k Armor (Flasks: Granite + 100% Armor and Jade with anti-shock). You get the picture, tweak the flasks to suit the fight.
• As for resistances, it's 99% for Fire and Lightning at all times and capped Cold Resistance (was it 85/86? lol). When it comes to Chaos Resistance (important in some fights) I can get it up to 60% and not lose any Armor, Life or ES, but will lose a bit of DPS. Normally I just go with 40% in Chaos Damage fights so I don't have to sacrifice DPS, and it's more than enough. Check out the Village Ruin video, I just facetanked him the whole time with bad map MODs too.
• Life / ES - I have 7000 Effective Life, IIRC 7008 or something like that. Something like 5900 Life and 1115 ES. Just slightly above 7k. That will make you durable to everything (with proper flasks ofc), with only two things that can one shot you: Uber Flameblast and Core Malachai Smah.

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Le_Sanzo wrote:

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Krux wrote:

Roughly around 1 Mirror for everything I reckon. I haven't been in-game for a while now, so I'm not sure about the Mirror:Exalted ratio. But around there.
It used to be MUCH cheaper to set this up, even the MoM/EB version, but ever since our build got so popular the price went up a bit due to jacked up prices for Voidbringer +1 (they used to cost 25-40 Exa) and due to Life% + ES on Hit jewels (it was easy to get 3 useful stats on jewels for 1-3exa each, now it's more expensive).
While 1 Mirror total may sound like a lot, I can think of only 1-2 other Mjolner builds that are 5-15% more tankier but cost roughly 3+ Mirrors to set up. If I'm not mistaken, other Mjolner builds simply don't have as much survivability for the price, which is what this build is mostly focused on.

Thanks Krux. That was VERY detailed and i'm actually very happy to see that the build developers are still active in their threads. So, 1 mirror - approximately 270-280 exalts I suppose. That's sad haha. I've got about 220 so far. Maybe I'll play the next league and use that time to make some more. Its hard for me to imagine any other builds that can get any tankier than this o.O (Mirrored gear?). But I suppose all that wouldn't be actually necessary for Uber? (From what I saw in your video, you seemed to be able to facetank even the trio without a problem)

Anyway! The build is one of the most well thought out ones I have seen and best of all, has a video of you doing Uber. Tbh, idk whether to love you for making this build or hate you for jacking up the prices of those corrupted voidbringers n ES/life jewels haha. WP though to the build makers. Keep up the good work.

I've recently made this build the es/mom version and it's cheaper than 280ex.

Here are general prices for a non budget mom/es version:
80 ex (+1 void) + 60 ex (leg mjoln) + 20ex (6L kingsguard) + 30ex (Voll's devotion)) + 15ex (leg saffel) + 1 ex (romiras) + 1 ex (devoto's) + 3ex (rare ring+belt+boots, you can get decent ones for 1ex each) + 10ex (lvl 21 purity of light and fire) = 220ex

So the gear and important jewels cost around 220ex, you can buy 5 es on hit/max life jewels anywhere from 1-10ex each.

You can make a non budget version of this for around 230ex pretty easily.

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LifeIsShyt wrote:

You can make a non budget version of this for around 230ex pretty easily.

Thanks for info mate, I haven't been in-game for roughly a month and a half now, so I'm out of tune with some prices.

U can even make it cheaper and still very playable.

Drop the +1 voidbringer and the lvl 21 Purity of Fire/Lightning and u'll still be very tanky.
U will lose 1% max fire and light resist, but I've still managed to facetank everything except for Malachai smash. Haven't tried Uber yet.

Just being smart in equipping the right flasks in the right situation and maybe have some extra chaos res gear and/or ele weakness gear, will help u so much more than the 1% max fire/light u're missing out on imo.

btw I'm wondering if u can tank Malachai smash with both granite Iron skin and jade Reflexes up.

Hey Krux, srry if it's a dumb question, but why molten strike is superior to cyclone in order to proc mjollner? I've tested with Cyclone - BM- Fortify - Faster Attacks -Inc AoE and clean speed seems superior to me, and if u manage to get 3green socks on armor u can add 1000 accuracy with gem so that gonna mean even more procs. Also I've tested Vaal Cyclone and it works pretty fine for bosses and strongboxes and big hordes of mobs.

Thanks in advance!!

I noticed you don't mention lvl 21 discharge. I guess it's implied that would be better?

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Tíndalos wrote:

Hey Krux, srry if it's a dumb question, but why molten strike is superior to cyclone in order to proc mjollner? I've tested with Cyclone - BM- Fortify - Faster Attacks -Inc AoE and clean speed seems superior to me, and if u manage to get 3green socks on armor u can add 1000 accuracy with gem so that gonna mean even more procs. Also I've tested Vaal Cyclone and it works pretty fine for bosses and strongboxes and big hordes of mobs.

Thanks in advance!!

I mainly built my char for the very-end game. I'd say Molten Strike is better for single target DPS, but I haven't compared it. For trash clear, Cyclone will definitely be better, but I'm not worried much about clear speed when running Uber and 81-82 maps with nasty MODs since I'm clearing them fast enough as it is.

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JaTochNietDan wrote:

U can even make it cheaper and still very playable.

Drop the +1 voidbringer and the lvl 21 Purity of Fire/Lightning and u'll still be very tanky.
U will lose 1% max fire and light resist, but I've still managed to facetank everything except for Malachai smash. Haven't tried Uber yet.

Just being smart in equipping the right flasks in the right situation and maybe have some extra chaos res gear and/or ele weakness gear, will help u so much more than the 1% max fire/light u're missing out on imo.

btw I'm wondering if u can tank Malachai smash with both granite Iron skin and jade Reflexes up.

Probably not. Viviere took a break from POE prior, and I took a break since about a 1 1/2 months ago, so we never got to testing a few things. Our idea was to duo-run Malachai and experiment to see if we can tank the Smash.
However, when running solo, I doubt it. The hit is just too damaging. If I recall correctly, a buddy that has his own ES-based Mjolner build couldn't manage it with decent Armor (20-30k, can't remember exactly), some 12k ES, flasks, fortify and what not, and he died to the Smash (though he has substantially less resistance than myself I think). So there's about 5k difference in our raw HP (7k vs 12k). Assuming I pack 65k+ Armor when soloing, I doubt that the mitigation from armor alone would be THAT much greater to bridge that HP gap and soak up the damage from Malachai's Smash. But, if the Smash damage isn't purely physical but Phys/Fire for example, and if our resistances differ (I think he was capped somewhere between 90-95 FR/LR, but don't quote me on this), then maybe I could mitigate the damage... but it's a big maybe. Bear in mind that this was some 2-3 months ago, so his setup could've changed too, and I can't even remember exactly how his Smash test-run was set up.

Viviere and I wanted to try a duo-run:
1) Auras: Grace, PoL, PoF, Determination, Discipline.
2) Defense on my char would be: 105-110k Armor, 99% FR/LR Res, roughly 7.9k Life.
We were gonna go in and facetank him, and if he one-shotted us, the deal was to just throw our hands up in the air... like we just don't care :D Seriously though, we never got around to do it. If there are any volunteers, I might take time to pair up with someone so we can test this.

Another way ofc would be to tinker with rolling-IC, but that's a different thing altogether.

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Demonzu wrote:

I noticed you don't mention lvl 21 discharge. I guess it's implied that would be better?

I believe we linked lvl 20 Discharge in the guide. I use lvl 21, it goes without saying that it's better :D