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mezmery wrote:
what is most effective way to color 6l bow bbbrgg


Vorici Chrome Calc
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
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Serleth wrote:
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mezmery wrote:
what is most effective way to color 6l bow bbbrgg


Vorici Chrome Calc

ty, was searching for it but hadnt succeed
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Sup

I now am really happy with the build, this is since I changed from culling flame totem to our awesome wither, total gamechanger. Bit less shinies in groups, but I just group for rotations at all.
Lvl 87, 9k tooltip cloud dps (before wither, vuln) and 3.9xx life.

Still need to 5L my chest and make some tree-adjustments, but that's all planned and my dear bow will get a mastercraft-treatment soon :) I'm also playing with zero quality gems atm, this will change today / tomorrow based on playtime. I also use just 2 jewels at the time, need to trade for some to respec yeah :/.

top drops from last week/weekend:

2ex, 2 divines
Andvarius (sold, id'd myself)
Taste of Hate (sold, id'd myself)
Rumi's (sold)
Alpha's
Divination Distillate (still in shop)
some 250pdps hybrid 50% spelldam wand
some 840 9x double T1 res helmet
4 high level 5L chests / weapons
crapton of recipes (altho, amulets are rarer somehow)
basically any of the unique maps, I'm impressed, this challenge will be rather easy after all.
Sales are.. crap. I sell stuff for 1 fus most of the time, but it's till 1 fus after all.

I'm so overwhelmed by this, since my rng never held what I built for. Warbands and Torment I really got gutted, now it's raining stuff on me, incredible. To give back some of my luck I will hold brodeals here and there, announced only in this thread and not listed in my shop ^^.

Oh and also, the chroming of the bow was HELL. I stopped at 3b3g for good after well over 500 chroms (vorici 1b), will try again after it's 6L +3 and I have enough chromes to backup again.

challenges are going meh, I could up the stat to 15 by dedicating time to hunt for some dumb story bosses or end act4, but it's something I'll leave open for later. Best progress I have at the shiny beauty (2/4 identified) as well as only 3 unique maps missing (where I have 2 in stash). Tip: /join global 820 and do a unique map rotation if you only have 1 unique map. Works like master sharing, everyone brings a unique map (different kind) and you enter / run them one after the other.
IGN: WildTortillaFart
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Serleth wrote:
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dHsn wrote:
I used to play a PA build before this new patch and after a quick update about the changes on the tree and new gems I came here to see the work you did with the tree and I have a question: Why did you take more DoT nodes than chaos damage nodes?

I'm not an expert on PA builds and my question is meant to gather info about this matter in order to improve my knowledge.


CA is one of the simpler examples about how increased damage modifiers work. It gets more complex than this for other skills, and I'll provide a short example of that as well.

For CA, we know that Damage Over Time, Chaos Damage, Area Damage and Projectile Damage all increase the cloud damage. If you didn't well, now you do.

So what happens with increased damage modifiers is that they all add together before applying to the relevant portion of damage. Like I said, with CA, it's simple. There's only one damage type that's being modified.

The (simple) formula for damage modification is this:

Final DPS = [(Base Damage) * (100% + Increased Damage Modifiers)] * (100% + Multiplicative Damage Modifiers)

In the above formula, the 100% is basically there to just say "we're not looking to get 10% of our damage, we're looking to get 100% of our damage PLUS the increased damage."

Another way of expressing that is 1 + (Increased Damage Modifiers / 100).


For the purposes of this example, I'll keep it extremely simple.

Let's say we have:

* Base Damage of 200
* 10% increased DoT
* 20% increased Proj damage
* 30% increased Chaos damage

So we plug it in and it looks like this

FDPS = 200 * (100% + 10 + 20 + 30) * (100% [since we're not adding any multiplicative damage])
FDPS = 200 * (1 + [10+20+30/100]) * 1
FDPS = 200 * 1.6 * 1
FDPS = 320

Now let's change the values on those increased modifiers to:

* 20% increased DoT
* 10% increased Chaos damage
* 30% increased Proj damage.

FDPS = 200 * (100% + 20 + 10 + 30) * (100%)
FDPS - 200 * (1 + [20 + 10 + 30]/100) * 1
FDPS = 200 * 1.6 * 1
FDPS = 320

Notice how the final damage doesn't change.

So for CA, it's completely irrelevant which damage type you have more of because they all scale the damage equally, and because of the way the calculation is done (all increased modifiers adding together with each other before applying to the damage).


Let's take a look at a more complicated example: Fireball with flat added lightning damage.

* Fireball Base Damage = 200
* Flat added lightning = 50
* Increased spell damage = 10%
* Increased fire damage = 20%
* Increased elemental damage = 20%

So the problem here is that the increased fire damage will scale the fireball damage, but NOT the added lightning damage. Meanwhile, because we're dealing pure elemental damage (and not using say, added chaos), both the spell damage and generic elemental damage will apply to both the fireball and the flat added lightning. But again, fire will not touch the added lightning.

I'll break it down into two separate calculations here to make it more readily apparent

Fireball DPS = 200 * (1 + [10 + 20 + 20]/100)
= 200 * 1.5
= 300

Flat Lightning = 50 * (1 + [10 + 20]/100)
= 50 * 1.3
= 65

Net DPS = 365

But what if we have flat added fire instead?

Flat Fire = 50 * (1 + [10 + 20 + 20]/100)
= 50 * 1.5
= 75

Net DPS = 300 + 75 = 375.


Or what about 50 flat added chaos?

Flat Chaos = 50 * (1 + [10]/100)
= 50 * 1.1
= 55


Notice how in the flat lightning damage, the fire did not apply, and for the flat chaos damage, only the spell damage applied.


So it's very important to consider your damage sources when you are trying to scale your skills, and sometimes it is more complicated to understand.

A prime example of this consideration at work is Glacial Cascade: physical damage increases will only scale the physical portion of the skill; cold will only scale cold. So every GC build you see takes "spell damage," because it scales both the physical and cold.


And with CA, you would look at the skill and think it's fairly obvious DoT, Chaos and Area damage scale the cloud but a lot of people trip up and think projectile damage will not. But you have to remember, the projectile is in fact what deals the damage, because it explodes with the ground and then leaves the chaos cloud behind.


Sorry for the essay but I hope this makes it clear.

TL;DR increased damage modifiers add together before applying to the damage so no particular damage type takes priority for CA.


I really didn't expect a so much in depth explanation about this but this is really helpful and will be considered about other builds.
Thank you so much.
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Chronodroid wrote:
Sup
crapton of recipes (altho, amulets are rarer somehow)

i have like 15 stashed -75 amus and about 10 75+
rings are hard to get, as i waste tons of alcs for maps
No rest for the wicked
Most of the time you'll have more rings than amulets, but like anything else in this game, streaks happen.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.
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Serleth wrote:
Most of the time you'll have more rings than amulets, but like anything else in this game, streaks happen.


I really wish to encounter a keeper of the troves ARMY (like the small sand crabs thingies) with amulets :D
IGN: WildTortillaFart
how do even optimize your trade times. spent whole evening converting\trading items to get that 3ex to fund 6l, most deals like fus\chaos, ended up selling top-pdps mace, and bying 6l ilvl 77 from alkaizer(seems tops of the ladder are much more easier with prices, buying cheap high end stuff from them always ends in huge discount comparable to average market)
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I really don't bother with flipping. I just throw shit up on my shop and let people come to me. Prefer to play the game, not play the trades.
Jul 27, 2011 - Sept 30, 2018.

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