Aura Reservation and Reduced Mana Support Gem Change

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VashSan wrote:
This still the only change that's going to make the game worts.

Useless RM and Overpriced and Over Hard to Get Enlighten in it's place. This is wrong in so many levels. Less auras, less damage, less clear speed, less thinking, less fun, less players. I'm mad. Good job.


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Zhatan wrote:

The enlighten will reduce mana more then reduced mana att higher levels. So no, its not going to be reduced to be compareable to other options. It will be even more mandatory and more expensive.


You have no idea what you are talking about, enlighten level 3 give you less reduction than a lvl1 reduce mana and enligten lvl4 is the same as a level 3 reduce mana. It's a nice little bonus but nothing mandatory at all.
http://cb.poedb.tw/us/gem.php?n=Enlighten
Last edited by IceDeal#5895 on Jul 1, 2015, 5:08:36 AM
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IceDeal wrote:
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Zhatan wrote:

The enlighten will reduce mana more then reduced mana att higher levels. So no, its not going to be reduced to be compareable to other options. It will be even more mandatory and more expensive.


You have no idea what you are talking about, enlighten level 3 give you less reduction than a lvl1 reduce mana and enligten lvl4 is the same as a level 3 reduce mana. It's a nice little bonus but nothing mandatory at all.
http://cb.poedb.tw/us/gem.php?n=Enlighten


Yeah,
level 4 Enlighten = 88% mana multiplier (12% reduction)
level 21 Reduced Mana = 70% mana multiplier (30% reduction).
Feel the difference :)

To gain higher benefit from Enlighten, it should be socketed into +gem levels item, which means you'll have to make a dedicated aura build.
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Neither of you 2 seems to understand that the new auras costs alot less.

So a new aura with a lv4 enlighten will cost less thent he old ones did, even with a 21 reduced gem. How hard is math boys? You will be able to run more auras with a lv4 enlighten then you ever did.

But since you are total fanboys you will just have to wait and see, the top 100 in either league will run a enlighten.
Last edited by Zhatan#4250 on Jul 1, 2015, 10:05:51 AM
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Zhatan wrote:
Neither of you 2 seems to understand that the new auras costs alot less.

So a new aura with a lv4 enlighten will cost less thent he old ones did, even with a 21 reduced gem. How hard is math boys? You will be able to run more auras with a lv4 enlighten then you ever did.

But since you are total fanboys you will just have to wait and see, the top 100 in either league will run a enlighten.


What is math?

Current:
60% @ 0.7 (lv 21 rm) = 42%

New:
50% @ 0.88 (lv 4 enlighten) = 44%
50% @ 0.84 (lv 5 enlighten) = 42%

So basically what people are saying is that in order to get the same as the current reduced mana players will not only need to get a corrupted enlighten, they will also need to get a +1 gem corrupted item PER 3 AURAS!!!

I think a different approach is needed for auras. Currently nobody is going to be able to run 2 auras... not until they can get somewhere in the tree that makes it take 4% less and even then only a tiny pool of mana would remain.

At the very least if the intention was really to help ppl with no sockets you guys could have reduced the mana reservation to 42/28% on auras, remove the reduced mana gem and just not have added the effect to enlighten.
But personally I think this was just a jab to the people like myself that enjoy playing aura builds end game and it's funny because that build was already expensive with the shavs (end game) requirement but hell with the new corruption requirements for enlighten/+1 gems, a shavs is looking like a walk in a park.

Oh and P.S.
40% auras being changed to 35%... even with lv 5 enlighten its still worse than lv 20 reduced mana
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Xagulz wrote:
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Zhatan wrote:
Neither of you 2 seems to understand that the new auras costs alot less.

So a new aura with a lv4 enlighten will cost less thent he old ones did, even with a 21 reduced gem. How hard is math boys? You will be able to run more auras with a lv4 enlighten then you ever did.

But since you are total fanboys you will just have to wait and see, the top 100 in either league will run a enlighten.


What is math?

Current:
60% @ 0.7 (lv 21 rm) = 42%

New:
50% @ 0.88 (lv 4 enlighten) = 44%
50% @ 0.84 (lv 5 enlighten) = 42%

So basically what people are saying is that in order to get the same as the current reduced mana players will not only need to get a corrupted enlighten, they will also need to get a +1 gem corrupted item PER 3 AURAS!!!

I think a different approach is needed for auras. Currently nobody is going to be able to run 2 auras... not until they can get somewhere in the tree that makes it take 4% less and even then only a tiny pool of mana would remain.

At the very least if the intention was really to help ppl with no sockets you guys could have reduced the mana reservation to 42/28% on auras, remove the reduced mana gem and just not have added the effect to enlighten.
But personally I think this was just a jab to the people like myself that enjoy playing aura builds end game and it's funny because that build was already expensive with the shavs (end game) requirement but hell with the new corruption requirements for enlighten/+1 gems, a shavs is looking like a walk in a park.

Oh and P.S.
40% auras being changed to 35%... even with lv 5 enlighten its still worse than lv 20 reduced mana


Ahh, trying to play smart by picking the ones that favour your opinion I see.

How about the 60 -> 35% aura:

60*0,7 = 42 Compared to 35x0.88 = 30,8 Thats a whooping 11.2% bonus to the new one compared to the old. You wont eat up that with all your other auras.

BUT regardless, if you wanna run more then just one aura and a herald now you will be forced to use the enlighten gem. With EB you can get away with a little more(one more 25%er)

Thats why you will see enlighten lv4 on most of the top 100 players.
Last edited by Zhatan#4250 on Jul 1, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
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Zhatan wrote:

Thats why you will see enlighten lv4 on most of the top 100 players.


No... the reason you will see level 4 enlighten on the top 100 players is because they are the only ones that will be able to afford it, and it will be just as required as reduced mana is now which is what everyone is complaining about and you just tried tell everyone that its going to be better in some magical way. No it wont be better, it will be the same but less accessible.


Also what aura went from 60% to 35%? If it is a good one then you might be right, that would be very nice compensation.

Edit:
Nvm I found it, discipline. So that is nice for the majority of end game builds. It still doesn't help the blood magic marauders that have to reserve 25% of their life pool, or the life based casters that have no use for es.
Last edited by Xagulz#3852 on Jul 1, 2015, 11:47:02 AM
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Zhatan wrote:
You will be able to run more auras with a lv4 enlighten then you ever did.

And without Enlighten, you'll be able to run far more auras, than you ever did without (old) Reduced Mana.
So, everyone will be able to run more auras, but players, who wanted to release some sockets for another gems, now got such a choice.

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^ Lol, you're wrong.

You cant even run 2 Heralds + Hatred (e.g), without screwing up your mana.
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Xagulz wrote:
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Zhatan wrote:

Thats why you will see enlighten lv4 on most of the top 100 players.


No... the reason you will see level 4 enlighten on the top 100 players is because they are the only ones that will be able to afford it, and it will be just as required as reduced mana is now which is what everyone is complaining about and you just tried tell everyone that its going to be better in some magical way. No it wont be better, it will be the same but less accessible.


Also what aura went from 60% to 35%? If it is a good one then you might be right, that would be very nice compensation.

Edit:
Nvm I found it, discipline. So that is nice for the majority of end game builds. It still doesn't help the blood magic marauders that have to reserve 25% of their life pool, or the life based casters that have no use for es.


There will be no bloodmagic marauders though, at least not in any serious builds.

I think you misstake my point though, I think this is a bad change. Everyone will need enlighten just as they needed reduced mana and now it will be harder to get. LL and CI builds will be a bit better off but overall the change doesnt really make a big diffrence, except that you now need a more expensive and harder to level gem.
Last edited by Zhatan#4250 on Jul 1, 2015, 3:21:57 PM

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