Incandescent Heart Only Works with CI... Why Life?

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Tempada wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Then stack chaos res instead of going CI? It doesnt say you gotta have CI for that to work...

You do, though... Did you read the first post? At 75% chaos res you don't gain any elemental damage reduction. You need more than 75% in order to start taking less elemental damage, and 75 is the cap!

Isn't this wrong?

If you have 75% all resists. You get hit with 1000 elemental damage. Your elemental resistance reduces that to 250 damage. 25% of that (62.5) gets taken as chaos damage. Chaos resist reduces that to 15.6. So you'd end up taking 187.5 elemental damage and 15.6 chaos damage, for a total of 203.1 damage taken.

Am I missing something?

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Tempada wrote:

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lk_77lk wrote:

CI with AA and Darkscorn and Immortal Flesh = hudge damage mitigation (arround +200 base life + the chaos mitigation already mentionned for status ailment and will benefit from good Hybrid node such Melding and Written in blood.

What kind of damage can Darkscorn do, though? I have a tree idea, but I worry that the damage will be low. I guess that's what auras and aura buffs are for.

Unfortunately it is very low. I have a friend that has tried this (with pretty amazing bow gear) and he complained about the damage. Unfortunately I cannot pull a figure because he's on a break from PoE. Suffices to say though, that your ES pool will be very small (and crit is not very fun with a 5% base)

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If you have 75% all resists. You get hit with 1000 elemental damage. Your elemental resistance reduces that to 250 damage. 25% of that (62.5) gets taken as chaos damage. Chaos resist reduces that to 15.6. So you'd end up taking 187.5 elemental damage and 15.6 chaos damage, for a total of 203.1 damage taken.

I think it is supposed to work like this, assuming 1000 elemental damage hit and 75% all resist(including chaos).
750 of that damage is taken as elemental damage and 250 of that damage is taken as chaos damage.
Then, you apply reductions, so 750*0.25 and 250*0.25. That will get you 250 damage taken. It is pretty much a penalty for any build but Chaos Inoculation.

"The chance and duration of both being stunned and receiving an elemental status ailments is based on your base life before CI takes effect. Maximum Life modifiers such as Increased Maximum life, Reduced Maximum life, etc. apply to the life before CI is applied. Since this base life value is then overwritten by CI, the only advantage life modifiers provide to a CI character is the reduction on stun and status ailment".

Maybe this is the point of the life mod in this chest.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Tempada wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Then stack chaos res instead of going CI? It doesnt say you gotta have CI for that to work...

You do, though... Did you read the first post? At 75% chaos res you don't gain any elemental damage reduction. You need more than 75% in order to start taking less elemental damage, and 75 is the cap!

Isn't this wrong?

If you have 75% all resists. You get hit with 1000 elemental damage. Your elemental resistance reduces that to 250 damage. 25% of that (62.5) gets taken as chaos damage. Chaos resist reduces that to 15.6. So you'd end up taking 187.5 elemental damage and 15.6 chaos damage, for a total of 203.1 damage taken.

Am I missing something?

I thought it would work similar to this too, but according to the wiki, "For characters with less than 76% Chaos Resistance, Incandescent Heart acts as an elemental damage taken multiplier, increasing the total amount of elemental damage taken..." The net damage taken with IH and anything less than 75% chaos res (assuming 75% to all other resistances) is actually higher than the damage you'd take without the chest. This surprised me and is really the reason I created the thread.

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7thFullMoon wrote:

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Tempada wrote:

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lk_77lk wrote:

CI with AA and Darkscorn and Immortal Flesh = hudge damage mitigation (arround +200 base life + the chaos mitigation already mentionned for status ailment and will benefit from good Hybrid node such Melding and Written in blood.

What kind of damage can Darkscorn do, though? I have a tree idea, but I worry that the damage will be low. I guess that's what auras and aura buffs are for.

Unfortunately it is very low. I have a friend that has tried this (with pretty amazing bow gear) and he complained about the damage. Unfortunately I cannot pull a figure because he's on a break from PoE. Suffices to say though, that your ES pool will be very small (and crit is not very fun with a 5% base)

Yeah, I figured. I feel like I could get pretty decent ES, though. I have a CI Incandescent Heart Pledge of Hands build with just over 7k ES, and if I use the same gear minus Eye of Chayula plus Soul Strike, I should be able to go even higher.

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mark1030 wrote:

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Tempada wrote:

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DirkAustin wrote:

Then stack chaos res instead of going CI? It doesnt say you gotta have CI for that to work...

You do, though... Did you read the first post? At 75% chaos res you don't gain any elemental damage reduction. You need more than 75% in order to start taking less elemental damage, and 75 is the cap!

Isn't this wrong?

If you have 75% all resists. You get hit with 1000 elemental damage. Your elemental resistance reduces that to 250 damage. 25% of that (62.5) gets taken as chaos damage. Chaos resist reduces that to 15.6. So you'd end up taking 187.5 elemental damage and 15.6 chaos damage, for a total of 203.1 damage taken.

Am I missing something?

Split occurs before mitigation.

That basically means if you don't have 75% Chaos res, you will actually take more damage from elemental sources with IH.

The chest and very good and you can make very strong builds with it.

The problem is, with the amount of investment required to make a good build with it, you might as well just make a different build.

I think this armor is best with EB builds.

If you take mind over matter won't part of the converted elemental damage you take get taken as damage to mana? This involves a trip down to the duelist area though

Chest as a life build is best used as hybrid life/es. Cap chaos and you split the ele dmg between life pools.

Best way to support the life pools is with binos which is all the life regen you will need, then ghost reaver for es leech.

I did this build and last season and the character is still alive and was doing 75 maps easy mode and only using a 5l and farming ubers. You could even take the build further and use aegis with amazing gear and get some block 40-50% is fine and you become a brick shit house.

For reference, I had 3.4k life and 4k es in ok gear, I have linked the gear below

By playing out of both life pools and recovering both life pools your EHP skyrockets even more so if you add in block and aegis.

And there you guys go, I solved the mystery for you on you to properly use the chest.

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BearCares wrote:

If you take mind over matter won't part of the converted elemental damage you take get taken as damage to mana? This involves a trip down to the duelist area though

Yes. Since non-chaos damage is applied to energy shield before life and damage that would be deducted from life is first applied to mana with MoM, you'd be taking that passive only to reduce the converted chaos damage, which is probably not worth the point investment.

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Nithryok wrote:

I did this build and last season and the character is still alive and was doing 75 maps easy mode and only using a 5l and farming ubers. You could even take the build further and use aegis with amazing gear and get some block 40-50% is fine and you become a brick shit house.

Thanks for the info. And this is more effective than going CI (to take advantage of elemental damage reduction) + Zealot's Oath?